Yeah, it was somewhere here...We were debating the quality of the Chinese guns and I used yours a testament of their quality, accuracy and in general, superiority to the SA rifles.
Yeah, it was somewhere here...We were debating the quality of the Chinese guns and I used yours a testament of their quality, accuracy and in general, superiority to the SA rifles.
Anyone who has been here longer than 11 posts knows that I'm about the most pro-America American around here...But I'm not so foolish to let my national pride get in the way of my intelligence and the realization that this country is not the only place in the world where quality things can be and are made.
You did not overpay because your Springfield (which isn't actually a genuine Springfield Armory rifle, mind you) was made in America. You overpaid because you are a citizen of a country that elected a Communist in 1993, who after his election placed an embargo on Chinese M14s which in turn gave Springfield Armory, Incorporated, a near monopoly on the domestic M14 market.
That is why you paid twice as much as the Chinese version (which was built on a forged receiver machined on the original equipment and tooling from the actual government Springfield Armory).
If we're gonna talk about M14s, let's stick to real issues and facts, and stay away from silly statements based on aimless national pride, eh?
Besides, I ain't the one with the FUBAR American made M14. :wink:
lol make that "overpayed for a partially Brazilian rifle". Them Springfield receivers ain't cast in the USA anyhow.
Recoil said it though. They have the monopoly, they can charge what they like.
Don't get me wrong.
Pick up my Chinese rifle. Wood? Sucks compared to real walnut. Park is decent, but just decent. Yeah, you can see a few tooling marks on her. Barrel might not be 100% truly indexed.
In other words, you can see how they saved money. They cut a few corners.
How much does it matter?
It doesn't. The rifle is capable of sub 2" 3 shot groups in my shaky hands. I am very happy with my $499.
Do I think its worth it to spend $1900 Can on a Springfield rifle?
**** no.
The only things on my rifle that will ever be replaced or modified are the stock and the rear sights, because yeah, the Chinese ones are a little more delicate. But thats IF they give me a problem.
Either way....the M14 is a kick@$$ battle rifle!! Lets see more of them!
Here is the real deal, a USGI yes its still not neutered for good, honest M14 all winny made too in 1963. I took it to sniper school, it got me through but barely, LE and military sniping are not the same. Its a great gun and would take non critical head shots with her anyday to 600 or better, but critical placement is not what the M14 was designed for. I had to work twice as hard to make the gun do the job my bolt gun could have done lights out.
what would happen if someone owning a norinco rifle were to, say, take a hunting trip to the states, and while there decided to sell said norinco rifle? would that be legal? lol
what would happen if someone owning a norinco rifle were to, say, take a hunting trip to the states, and while there decided to sell said norinco rifle? would that be legal? lol
Problem is one can’t legally take said rifle with themselves in the first place. The BATF must approve all the firearms a Canadian citizen wishes to take across the border and you can be sure the Norinco will not be permitted. Shame really because I could make a killing re-selling them…
what would happen if someone owning a norinco rifle were to, say, take a hunting trip to the states, and while there decided to sell said norinco rifle? would that be legal? lol
Problem is one can’t legally take said rifle with themselves in the first place. The BATF must approve all the firearms a Canadian citizen wishes to take across the border and you can be sure the Norinco will not be permitted. Shame really because I could make a killing re-selling them…
I'm not quite sure of that one, the U.S. does not allow them to be imported for sale by U.S. distributers. That does not nessisarily mean that a citizen of another country could not bring one in for a hunting trip. You would have to contact Customs and the BATFE to find out for sure. But if one does make it down here I'll take it.
what would happen if someone owning a norinco rifle were to, say, take a hunting trip to the states, and while there decided to sell said norinco rifle? would that be legal? lol
Problem is one can’t legally take said rifle with themselves in the first place. The BATF must approve all the firearms a Canadian citizen wishes to take across the border and you can be sure the Norinco will not be permitted. Shame really because I could make a killing re-selling them…
are you sure of this? not doubting you, and i know you're a citizen of our northern neighbor and all, but it would seem silly even for the batf to disallow someone to bring something they own legally with them.
does this mean that if you moved to the states for whatever reason that you wouldn't be able to bring your rifles with you? that sucks monkeys.
That much is definitely true. The same goes for the move to Canada from the U.S. (and an American would lose a lot more than a Canuck would). This is one of the reasons my Canadian wife ended up moving here instead of I there.
Re: the hunting rifle thing, somehow I doubt a Canadian would be allowed to bring a Norinco M14 here. You Canadians can gripe about that all you want, but the vast majority of stuff I own I can't take to Canada either. An American taking an AR-15 north of the border? Yeah, right!
That said, I do believe I as an American can apply for a Canadian Restricted Weapons Permit, which would allow me to take an AR or a handgun or whatever else oop in der Nort, too dar, eh. I'd have to register said guns in question though. Catch 22.
I'm not sure if there's such a provision for Canadians here.
I'm about 90% sure Recoil is right on the Restricted issue. A US National could just challenge our stupid test, and if he had half a brain, embarrass it. Then he gets the RPAL (Restricted permit) and he could bring his firearms here (Pistols, AR-15 rifles, shotguns the US would call DD, etc etc).
But yeah, he would have to register them.
As for hunting rifles and shotguns he would just have to fill out a form of registration, no firearms permit needed.
As for Chinese firearms going into the US...No way no how. You are SOL if you even get caught with Chinese parts.
i'm reminded now of my friend's dad who's going up for a bear hunting trip. he wanted to get a permit to take his .500 smith pistol in case the come up the tree at him, but was warned that even with a permit it could be confiscated at the border if the guard were of a mind, and chance not getting it back at all.
that really sucks though. i wish i'd never found this thread, cause now i want a damn chinese m14, and i'll never find one as cheap as you can get it. lol
Jeez. The border is a whole 'nother story. Like any other profession, lots of good people workin there. And plenty who get nocturnal visits from the stupid fairy.
Hey...it ain't like I wouldn't love to have half the crap you can legally buy, dude!
are you sure of this? not doubting you, and i know you're a citizen of our northern neighbor and all, but it would seem silly even for the batf to disallow someone to bring something they own legally with them.
does this mean that if you moved to the states for whatever reason that you wouldn't be able to bring your rifles with you? that sucks monkeys.
Every firearm a Canadian wishes to bring with them requires a form to be filled out and approved by the BATF. Everyone I have ever heard of who tried to take anything on the import ban list with them has been flatly denied, period. If you want to check it our register at Canadiangunnutz.com and start reading, there are plenty of threads by people who have tried every way conceivable to get their Nork M14 south without any success. A cross border move is the same thing. Believe me if there was any way of getting them across LEGALY there would be a huge market for them.
Remember Guys, any time you bring something into a foreign country, even if it's just your baggage and clothes in them, you are by law importing that item. As the United States has an import ban on new Norinco/Polytech M14s, it stands to reason that it is illegal to bring them here for hunting.
Logic aside, the government isn't stupid. Know how many Canadian M14s would be lost in tragic boating accidents during hunting trips here in the States? :wink:
She's unfired (so far) Smith Enterprise NM M14 forged rear lug receiver, with all TRW parts, except the barrel which is an SAK NM. I've bought and sold a lot of weapons, but this one goes to the grave with me.
this thread is killing me. i've wanted an m14 for years and now i'm all itching to get one. darn it, i need to sell some blood...
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