So I would consider myself to be an above average shooter, I am by no means the best, but I feel I do well for what I have learned so far. And I still have so much to learn, and I hope to never stop learning.I am the guy who bought a 600.00 Rem 700 SPS Tac in .308 with the crappy Hogue stock and shot with it for quite some time. I recently upgraded the stock and trigger and what a difference, this rifle will shoot about 1/2moa if I do my part. I have also had my fair share of scopes that ranged in price from 200.00-2500.00. I went from a 3-9 burris to a 6-24 Leopold varmint, to a 2.5-10 Vortex PST, to a 4-16 IOR Valdada and finally a 4.5-27 Vortex Razor Gen 2. So I have had my fair share of time behind a decent range of optics in reguard to both quality and range of magnification. I upgraded to a Rem 700P in .308, had the bolt knob replaced, bolt trued and action blueprinted, it came with a HS precision stock and the trigger was swapped for a Jewel set to 2lbs and it shoots 1/2 moa or better as long as I do my part. My next rifle will be a DT SRS in .308 to start and will most likely end up with a few caliber conversion kits. I'm a firm believer in praticing with what you will use for long range. That means good ammo, I know they make cheap .308 for hunting. But I am not hunting, I am looking to hit a 24" plate of steel at over 1000 yards with precision. And that requires the right ammo and 147gr ball ammo and soft point hunting ammo, and most non-match grade ammo just won't cut it. Cheap ammo is not consistant, nor designed to be precise. If your just happy to shoot a 1.5" group at 100 yards, than precision shooting is not for you. If you want to shoot 5 rounds in the same ragged hole, then welcome to the conversation.