MOA or Milrad

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    MOA or Milrad

    I'm looking at purchasing a Nightforce or S&B scope, and want to see what the consensus says is better - MOA or Milrad.

    The scope I use now has 1/4 MOA turrets and MILDOT reticle, but I really want one of the above mentioned scopes w/ MOA turrets and MOA reticle.

    My shooting partner uses Milrad turrets and swears by them. He's a mathematically inclined person, I'm not. But I am a very fast learner and can grasp all things :P

    So what do I want? and more importantly, why?

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    He's a mathematically inclined person, I'm not.
    Take heart even Marines can learn to use MilDots so how hard can it be?

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    Quote Originally Posted by POGO57
    He's a mathematically inclined person, I'm not.
    Take heart even Marines can learn to use MilDots so how hard can it be?

    :wink: :wink:
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    Depends on what you prefer. a Mil/Mil or MOA/MOA is easier, no conversion to calculate at all. But MOA/Mil can be done, just takes practice.
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    Its 3.438 of one and 0.304 of the other. :wink: They are both just angles. I think I can safely say that MOA is the measurement of riflemen, and Mils are the measurement of an artilleryman. If I were using artillery or talking to someone using artilery, I would want Mils, if I were shooting rifles only, I would probably choose MOA, just because its a smaller angle. Its not hard to convert from one to the other.

    Its easier for me to think in MOA, just because I can use SMOA and get close. I would use whatever is most common with the people you shoot with. I think its a big plus to have your turrets and reticule match. I use MOA and Mils without any trouble. I don't think one offers any huge advantage over the other.
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    Quote Originally Posted by POGO57
    He's a mathematically inclined person, I'm not.
    Take heart even Marines can learn to use MilDots so how hard can it be?

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    But between MOA or Mils - don't try to reinvent the wheel. MOA work just fine for what your doing, shooting a rifle. Mils are an answer to a question that just isn't there. Take the time you would of used converting numbers back in forth - and use it on a wind call or angle cosine. There are so many other factors that require a couple seconds of thought that I'd not muddy up the water converting numbers unless I had to. Just my 2 cents.

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    Either will work fine but make sure the knobs match the reticle. That way when you see impacts you can just dial in the difference if you didn't want to just hold for the next shot.

    I use mils. All my data is in mils. There's no math to using mils any more than MOA except when ranging and then you can just use a mildot master, which also works with MOA.

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    It just seems strange that there would be two different systems

    Like I said, I use MOA and my shooting partner uses Mil's :?

    We have the same rifles, use the same handloads, have pretty much all the same gear - EXCEPT DIFFERENT RANGE CARDS :cry:

    This sucks when either one of us forgets our data or logbook...

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    All the MK4 scopes I have used have had Mil reticules and MOA turrets. I get around the problem by making a range card with adjustments in both. That would fix your problem as well. As has been mentioned it works best when your turrets are the same as your reticule. You and your shooting buddy should be able to sing off the same sheet of music. Like many I tape my range card to the side of my buttstock. Its tough to forget it that way.
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    I don't think either is inherently better. Depends on what you're used to estimating sizes in, inches or centimeters, but with practice you can be proficient in either. My nightforce and wotac are in moa but my rangefinder and premier heritage are mil. The only complaint I have about moa is that 1 moa isn't precisely 1 inch at 100 yards and can throw off your calculations by about 5% if you use a true moa reticle like nightforce's. Personally I prefer mil because everything is in powers of 10 but I don't always have the choice with my scopes.
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