MOA vs. Mil-Dot Reticle

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    MOA vs. Mil-Dot Reticle

    I was laying on a hill with the SN-3 w/ MOA reticle and I found it very easy to measure people at long distances (650 yards) because the MOA reticle has 15 dashes, each representing 2 MOA.

    I haven't used the mil-dot system yet to range things, but it seems like it would prove less accurate given that you have to 'guesstimate' so to speak re: the fractions of a mil-dot an object is occupying.

    Anyone find the same (that mil-dots might be harder), or think another reticle is the end-all be-all?

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    Mil scale accuracy depends

    The original MIL DOT reticle was developed for sniper application for shooting large (60-80 inch) Targets. This meant that the target was 1.5 to 2 mils high at 1000 yards. Fairly easy to scale.

    But competition and other functions meant that miling needed to be done to .5 and smaller targets. This appears to me to be the genesis of the Gen2 reticle with 1/2 mil divisions. This helped some, but the proper use of the mil or even Gen 2 requires considerable skill and sharp eye sight. Sniper Competition is forcing the shooters to develop a high degree of ability with these technologies.

    So the answer as usual is "it depends on what you want to do!"

    Biggest advantage of the MOA style reticles used by Horus, USO, Nightforce and others is the consistency of units between the knob and the reticle.

    Never did understand why US manufacturer's started putting mil or metric reticles in their scopes without changing the knob scale similarly.
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    One of the changes made to the design was to leave the vertical line thin and let it continue down to 40 MOA. From 30-40 would have 1 MOA subtents and then at 40 MOA there would be an additional line that extends 10MOA to the right. This would give the shooter a 10 MOA by 10 MOA scale to use for ranging purposes.

    For example a man that is 72" tall reads 8 MOA. The formula for ranging in MOA would be:
    size of target x 100 / MOA read
    72"x100=7200/8MOA = 900 yds

    If he reads 14 MOA then 72x100=7200/14MOA = 514 yds

    and if he has a total of 30 moa then 72x100=7200/30MOA = 240 yds

    I personally think the formula is simple. Add 2 zero's to the size of the target and divide that by the MOA read and you have the yardage.
    example 1 = 900 yds - my gun asks for 28 MOA for 900 yds. I can dial in the 28 MOA or just put the 28 MOA hash mark on the target and execute the shot.
    example 2 = 514 yds - my gun wants 11 MOA for that range. I put the 10 MOA mark on top of the target and 12 MOA mark on the bottom and squeeze the trigger.
    example 3 = 240 yds. My gun wants 2.6 MOA here. I put the 2 on top side of the target and 3 on the bottom side, centering my target between the 2 hash marks and make the shot. I have just ranged and engaged 3 targets and never dialed any elevation. I think the system is great!

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    Soon you will be able to have a true MOA scale reticle in your Leupold scopes as well! :lol:
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    kgunz, that sounds like a great idea, who has it?
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    As I understand it this reticle is in development with Premier as an add on to Lupy or other scopes.

    I'm in strongly favor of the reticle, but prefer to see the hashes reduced to .100 MOA in width (at magnification in my 3-22 SN3, .125 MOA obscures a bit too much target, especailly at long range)

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    That is correct Jeff, it is in development with Premier Reticles but will only be available in Leupold scopes. Has all the same characteristics as the Gen II reticle or others installed by Premier. Prototype should be available by the first of the year. At that time I will take lots of photographs actually looking thru the scope so everyone can see it.
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