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    Practicing with night vision optics ...

    2014-07-25
    2100-2200
    90F
    15 mph SW

    Equipment: 5.56 upper with eotech, ir laser, bump helmet, pinnacle and L3 pvs-14s. Federal Lake City 62gr grn tip.

    Activity: Moving everything over to 5.56 rifle as a roll pen fell out of the .22LR and it will not go back in tightly. This disabled the bolt carrier latch on the upper and thus disables the upper. I called PA. They are sending me a new bolt carrier group to improve the performance of the system with a timney trigger, which they got and have been testing. They will also send me some roll pins. Besides making a perfect gun, your only other option, is to try to help your customers address issues, and these guys seem to be doing it.



    Note in the pic, the bipod is shown to keep the rifle upright. The eotech 3x magnifier is not shown. The PVS-14 3x magnifier, shown, is not used in immediately subsequent exercises. The attachments shown would not all be used together, but needed to be fitting to make room for all plausible attachments for current goals.

    So Eotech, laser, 14 base, now on 5.56 upper. Starting over!

    First zeroing on left target at twilight with eotech and no magnifier at 25yds, standing un supported. No night vision for these shots. Target was very dark and hard to see. But I could barely see it so I went ahead.

    Group01, Shot01 (G01.01) Low right, cranked 4 up and 4 left on the eotech
    G01.02 Shift up and left but not enough. Cranked 2 left and 1 up.
    G01.03 Hit left. G01 Score 16

    G02 Then put 14 on the rifle with nv reticle and no magnification. Group 2 is low. Hum. Does this mean I need to adjust when adding the PVS-14? I guess I've always used the magnifier on the 14 before and I didn't have to adjust. G02 score 16



    All remaining groups used PVS-14s, no magifier, 25yds standing unsupported.

    G03 - decent group but low, cranked up 4 clicks Score 18
    G04 - decent group still low, cranked up 6 clicks Score 21
    G05 - took too much time aiming, group still low, cranked up 8 clicks. I was begining to wonder what was happening to my clicks. Score 17
    G06 - Ok, this group was on target. Score 27
    G07 - First group using laser and PVS-14 on rifle, NV reticle turned off. Reasonable regarding average elevation and windage, but bloom on the laser obscures target. Have to move laser onto target and guess when there. Score 24
    G08 - Too many holes in the center of the target, to tried to aim exactly between the two targets. score NA
    G09 - Tried to aim high right. Score NA

    What did I learn from this? Well, my reaction is why did it take so many clicks to get zeroed? I need to try to find out how the eotech clicks work. With regular scopes, things are very predictable. I'm not there yet with the eotech.
    I may need to try a less flat, less reflective target surface with the ir laser. These flat, reflective surfaces generate too much bloom. Maybe I'll use some old rug pieces.

    As to those two tight groups G03, G04, I was surprised, especially as they were back to back. I was firing quickly and just focusing on the reticle and trying to see the reticle with black around it (the black circle) and when I did I fired. It seems the faster I aim/fire, the tighter the group. This is a whole different way of thinking from what I've been trying to do a longer ranges ... aim constantly and squeeze slowly. This is aim quick/fire. I hope I don't forget all I've learned about long range shooting !!! Although, maybe that is nothing !

    ==
    2014-07-26
    1330-1430
    90F
    10 mph SW

    Equipment: 5.56 upper with eotech, 3x magnifier, 62gr.

    Activity: Checking zero at 100yds, all shots standing unsupported.

    Group 01 - Fired 3 rd group at 25yds. This is the left target. No magnifier. Score 29/30



    Group 02 - Fired 3 rd group at 100yds with 3x magnifier. Was high and left. Score 17/30
    Group 03 - Decided to try same over without the magnifier, this 3 rd group was high and left, same as with magnifier. That was what I wanted to see. So I cranked down 3 and right 3. I haven't been able to find anyone who will tell me what a click on an eotech is, so I'm just guessing. Score 7/30
    Group 04 - This group was a little less high and more centered. No magnifier. Score 18/30
    Group 05 - In cases like this FM 3-22.9 says to use "bold adjustments" so I went down 8 clicks. Got some wobble this time, but was low and a little left. No magnifier. Score 17/30.
    Group 06 - Up 3 clicks and right 2 clicks. No magnifier. Score 25/30.
    Group 07 - Added magnifier, more wobble. Score 18/30.

    Avg Score at 100yds: 17
    Avg Score at 100yds with magnifier: 17.5
    Avg Score at 100yds without magnifier: 16.75

    So, what did I learn from this?

    101 - From 25 to 100yds, the 5.56 round is climbing. I'd say I already knew that, but I reconfirmed it today .
    102 - The magnifier does not seem to affect to POI. There are two ways it might (A) If it was adjusted wrong (B) If it caused me to "aim harder" and thus spread out my shots. The magnifier does help me see the target better, but dispite that, does not seem to actually help me hit better. I've trying to build up confidence to reduce use of magnifier, so this is helping.

    Next time (night) I will try thermal and ir laser again at 100yds.
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    At 25 yards and you are not using a silencer and subsonic ammo, no need to be so techy.
    12 gauge semi auto and tritium night sights and a good light.
    Make it a Mossberg 930 SPX for me at that range after dark.

    Are you going hunting for Varmints?
    I'm thinking home defense at night with the shotgun.
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    Purpose of this practice is several fold. Immediate purpose is Hog/Coyote hunting in Texas this fall. Expect distances to be between 25 and 200yds.
    Other purposes are equipment familiarity and improvement of results from standing unsupported position.

    ==

    Home Defense shotguns already secured.
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    CO-LR, L-3
    LS 3-18x H58
    2xPVS-14, 3p
    XD38A, 38mm, 1.5x, 384(50)
    PAS29/COTI
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    2014-07-27
    2200-2330
    80F
    10 mph W

    Equipment: 5.56 upper with eotech, ir laser, thermal, bump helmet, pinnacle and L3 pvs-14s. Federal Lake City 62gr grn tip.



    Activity: Fired 10 rounds with thermal at left target and 3 rounds with ir laser at right target at 100yds standing unsupported. Goal is to get within a 9 inch circle from 100yds standing unsupported. The 7 ring is 8 inches, the 6 ring is 10 inches, so 6.5 is the goal. Thermal rounds were 6 out of 10 within this goal, all ir laser rounds were within this goal. The average for the thermal was 5.7 points per round. We need to be 6.6 points per round or better.



    No magnifiers were used. The thermal was in front of the EoTech. The ir laser was seen from the L-3 14 on the left eye, with the pinnacle tube removed from the helmet.

    I aimed both thermal and ir laser by moving in from the side, thermal from the left, ir laser from the right.

    As no further adjustments seem to be needed, it is about aim/fire technique. I think more groups, with smaller numbers of rounds might help the aim/fire technique more than less groups of larger numbers of rounds.
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    2014-07-28
    2230-2330
    80F
    5 mph W

    Environment: MW highly visible. Found Cassiopeia clearly for the first time in months and from there found Andromeda, this was with PVS-14 on head. I do not see Orion. I guess it is below the NW horizon.
    Best cow munching grass is knee to waist high, lots of stalks chest high, a few nose high and bumb me in the face when walking through the pasture. I saw one stalk last night over my head. We should cut the prairie hay in another 3 weeks give or take.

    Activity: Fired 3 rd group with thermal at left target (hand warmer underneath bull of target. And fired 3 rd group with ir laser and l-3 pvs-14 on head. Aim/fire technique was move reticle/laser on to target from below and when on target squeeze trigger quickly.

    Results similar for both sides. Goal is to hit 9 inch circle ... which includes the inner half of the 6 ring on these targets. Both thermal and laser had 2 "hit" out of 3.



    G01 - Thermal. Score 15/30. Avg per round 5.
    G02 - IR Laser. Score 19/30. Avg per round 6.3

    From an average per round perspective we need 6.6 or above. Right now, for past several days, my average is

    I stopped early as neighbor from 1.5 miles away mentioned he could hear it when I shoot the "big guns". He wasn't complaining, but then, I don't want any complaints. That particular neighor goes out at night, most don't. My wife half a mile from my shooting spot, but in the house cannot hear. Those outside can probably hear for 3 miles away, depending on direction. Sound travels pretty well most nights. I should be using .22LR for what I'm doing now, but .22LR down waiting for parts, so using 5.56 instead. I'll try to do three 3 round groups at each target next time.

    The problem is I'm not sure I could tell the difference between the low shots and the "on target" shots. In other words, I don't think I could "call" these shots. I will try to do that explicitly next time.

    For past 2 days, thermal average is 5.54 per round, ir laser average is 6.67 per round. Overall average is 5.89 per round. This is 5.89/6.6 = 89.3% of the goal.
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    CMMG .22LR(16), LM ir-lzr
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    LS 3-18x H58
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    2014-07-30
    2200-2330
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    Environment: Somehow PVS-14s are seeing better tonight, there is some cloud cover, but I could see Cass and Andromeda clearly. I could also see (just barely) both black target circles, with NV. On several previous nights I have not. I had just seen the outline of the target board.

    Equipment: 5.56, 62gr, eotech with day reticle behind thermal (white hot). IR laser with L-3 PVS-14 on left eye. Right pinnacle PVS-14 swung out, except when driving the buggy. Hand warmer behind left target center. Using NRA 100yd s/b. Firing standing unsupported, but pulled "ace from sleeve", this being use of sling for first time recently. It "felt" like it reduced "wobble".

    Activity:

    Group01: Fired 3 rd group at left target with thermal. Had good target visibilty, so I "wondered" each shot in from a bit to the right.
    Group02: Fired 3 rd group at right target with ir laser. I came at the target center (area, bloom still obscuring target once laser reaches) from low right.

    Checked targets:
    Group01 with thermal group is ok. Score is 23/30.
    Group02 with IR Laser is 5 inches low and 1.5 inches right. Score is 6/30 (new low !)

    No change to thermal, decided to aim at top of target (see red cross on pic) with ir laser.

    Group03: Fired 3 rds at left target with thermal. Called second round low and third round high. As before moved reticle from right.

    Group04: Fired 3 rd group at right target with ir laser, holding 6 inches high. This time moved laser to target from directly below so I could see high side of target, aim point, until trigger pulled.



    Checked targets:
    Group03 has one aberant round. Was this high called round? Score 21.
    Group04 1 inch high, half inch left. Score 24/30.

    Average scores tonight:

    thermal 6 rounds, 7.33 per round (need to be over 6.6)

    ir laser 6 rounds, 5 per round (not moving closer to 6.6 goal)

    overall thermal avg, 19 rounds, 6.1
    overall ir laser avg, 12 rounds 5.9

    overall average at 100yds, 31 rounds, 6.0

    So about 10% below goal.

    Learnings: Looking back at previous pics, ir laser has been low, just didn't notice until tonight. Need to crank ir laser up a bit.
    Last edited by wigwamitus; 07-30-2014 at 10:01 PM.
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    2014-08-01
    2200-2300
    70F
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    Environment: What I call a "quarter moon" at about 30 deg on the SW sky. I'm shooting along the East edge of a tree line, so not much moon showing through on my side. But it lights up the pasture, which rises to my East. My targets and I are in the shadows. Clouds moderate covering, Big Dipper, Cass, Andromeda not visible, though many stars were. I am in low ground so no wind interferce.

    Equipment: Usual, 5.56, eotech, thermal, ir laser, dual 14s, sling. First time with Federal Lake City 55gr. Haven't noticed any difference with the 62gr, but they are cheaper. And people with steel targets don't get as upset. The 45acp is carried and has CT grip ir laser.



    Activity: 5 rds at each target - thermal left, ir laser right. I walked back and forth after 2nd, 4th and last rounds for the ir laser. The best ir laser round was the 5th one, the highest one in the center and I was holding a little high (top of the black). With the thermal I was approaching from the left, with the ir laser from the right. In both cases, the variation was in the windage dimension. I tightened the sling before the session. I tried to zero the ir laser before the session, but it still seems a little low, but not as much as before. I need to aim at something other than the target to zero it. It doesn't matter where I aim. I am trying to line it up with the eotech reticle, in nv mode with the pinnacle 14 weapons mounted. I don't shoot it like that these days, but that is how I zero it. I did point the laser at various spots around the pasture and the narrowest beam is against some trees about 500 yds away, so next time I'll point the reticle and laser over there while zeroing. Then I'll have a small solid point to line up with the reticle.
    So, the thermal zero was 38/50 avg 7.6 and the laser zero was 36/50 avg 7.2 so got lucky and passed for tonight. Trying to beat avg of 6.6 standing unsupported at 100yds.



    Next I will shoot, move, shoot, move, shoot from three (somewhat) unknown range spots between about 150yds and 50yds to try to understand the extent of any holds needed. I'll walk a bounded random distance 30-50yds in a bounded random direction +/- 45 degrees off line to target. Goals are, to help develop muscle memory for the holds and to keep practicing with thermal and laser at night. To shoot three times, I'll need three targets. Two shots per target. Will need to repeat for thermal.
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    Custom 5.56(10.5) Holosun 515p+3xmagnifier, PAQ-4C
    BMC 5.56(14.5) LS 6.5-20x TMR, ir-lzr
    CMMG .22LR(16), LM ir-lzr
    CO-LR, L-3
    LS 3-18x H58
    2xPVS-14, 3p
    XD38A, 38mm, 1.5x, 384(50)
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    2014-08-03
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    Environment: Wind increasing from the East, sprinkle turning to rain towards the end of the exercise.

    Equipment: 5.56 with Eotech, sling, 55gr.

    Activity: 8 rounds at left target, 8 rounds at right target, in 2 round groups at 4 different distances for each target, shoot/move, shoot/move. On the left target, I was moving up and down the buggy trail on the East edge of a wood line, so these ranges are fairly well known. On the right target, I was moving in the open pasture, so distances more of a guess.

    Left:
    G01 - 50yds
    G02 - 100yds
    G03 - 130yds
    G04 - 75yds

    Right:
    G05 - 40yds
    G06 - 75yds
    G07 - 125yds
    G08 - 80yds


    Score was 49/80 on the left target and 56/80 on the right target. This is 6.125 on the left and 7 on the right on average, with the overall average being 6.5625, just below the goal of 6.6. In all cases, I was doing "aim/fire" by moving the reticle from below onto the target and firing. A fluid motion, no "dwelling" on the target.



    I didn't worry about the wind moving the bullet, but it was moving me, increasing wobble a little, so I stood feet side by side. Some folks put feet, front to rear, some 45 degree off builet path and some side by side facing target. I reserve right to switch between each of these options depending on circumstances .

    Next, we will repeat this same exercise at night, with the thermal on the left and PVS-14 + ir laser on the right.

    ==
    2014-08-03
    2130-2230
    70F
    10 SSE

    Environment: Wind almost due behind bullet path, but felt in the low ground. Moon was half moon, by the way I call it. Targets are in tree line on opposite side of woods from moon, so still in shadow.

    Equipment: 5.56 with Eotech, sling, 55gr, 3x day mag behind eotech behind thermal. ir-laser with pvs-14 on left eye.

    Actity: 6 rounds at left target, 6 rounds at right target, in 2 round groups at three different ranges, about 50yds, 80yds and 120yds. Fire/move, f/m, f. Scores were 44/60 on left, thermal side and 37/60, ir-laser on right side. This is 7.33 avg per bullet with thermal and 6.166 with ir-laser.
    Overall average was 6.75.



    I was doing the "aim/shoot" fluid motion and fire thing faster the farther out I went. Also the 3x magnifier may have helped the thermal side. It certainly helped see the target better.

    ==
    So how to improve consistency?
    In the past month, since I've been focused on standing unsupported, I've noticed it has gotten easier, my non-firing arm (left) doesn't get muscle fatigue as quickly. It is either getting stronger, or more efficient at supporting the weapon (or both). I do some dry firing with .308, 7.62 and even .303B in the house and I use weights (dumb bells) a little also. Perhaps more of this type of activity is indicated. If the arm can more easily support the weapon, that should reduce "wobble".
    Also, I believe the aim/fire fluid motion results in low hits. I noticed this at the class I took on 21 June. Even though I was zeroed with the EoTech, I had to aim high it order to hit where I wanted to hit. Perhaps that is due to the fluid motion thing? Perhaps more day firing at consistent distances can work out whether this is really true.

    I'd like to get the .22LR upper back up, I think I could do more with it. I feel a bit constrained shooting the "loud" ammo after 10pm as my general rule is to do that rarely. There is some subsonic 5.56 but it is around $1 per round.

    To determine the exact holds, I should use the 5.56, but that can mostly be done in the day. I see the same need to aim high, in the day or the night.

    I'll also try to get the DVR going and take some 'movies'. It is often possible to see a "white dot" after firing with the thermal, when a hole is made in the target (but not on the heating pad itself).
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    CO-LR, L-3
    LS 3-18x H58
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    XD38A, 38mm, 1.5x, 384(50)
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    2014-08-04
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    Environment: Half moon, stars visible.

    Equipment: No weapons, observation devices only. PVS-14 on bump helmet, walking stick a thermal in hands. Other pvs-14 with 3x in pack. 3x for thermal in pack. Quart of water, Bushnell lrf in pack.

    Activity: Walked to North pasture area where we have already cut the brome and alfalfa, then took out thermal. Stood still for several minutes in several places. Got about 40m of video overall, but it is mostly pretty boring. The rabbit sat there for many minutes, until I "stomped" my stick on the ground and it moved away.

    Same with the rodent. It went about its business, until I stomped my stick, then it moved.


    All in all, I saw four creature groups with the thermal and three of them got recorded. Of course the “one that got away” was the coyote . S/he was the third creature I saw. Some humans on the road a half mile away were making some noise, so this coyote was coming away from them running from one tree line to another across our alfalfa patch. It was in my view maybe 10s. I had been stationary. I had the thermal up to my right eye and the pvs-14 on my left. It was like a “pic in pic” image. The PVS-14 was the big circle and in the lower third of that circle was the thermal circle. Anyway, once I realized it was a coyote, I flicked on the DVR. But by the time it came up and started recording … er, the coyote got away .
    Seriously, there was a coyote and seriously I had the DVR on “standby” and flicked it to “on” shouldn’t it come up right away?

    Rabbit:




    Rodent:




    Grazers:



    I put a 32GB SD in the DVR, so next time, when I get to the "creature observation area" I'll just turn it on a leave it on.

    ==
    Tonight was primary focus on observation and secondarily on load carrying. I’ve taken just about everything I have on my list out to the field a few times, but not as much, all together, as I’d have to carry, if I was going on foot, even just for a few hours.


    Anyway, I got hot and sweaty walking around out there for 2 hours tonight and I saw some creatures. Now I understand about that “recognition” thing people talk about. I saw quite a few “white shapes” (I was mostly on white hot) but not all of them ever moved, so probably not all white shapes were alive. But some did move and some had recognizable shapes and less recognizable movements. I now realizing that learning how the different creatures move is critical to recognition, but I don’t think that will come in 4 more trips. Maybe 400.
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    Custom 5.56(18), Burris 1.5-8x CQB MIL
    Colt 5.56(10.3), IRD IR-Hunter Mk2, 35mm, 2.5x, 640(60), CQBL-1
    Custom 5.56(10.5) Holosun 515p+3xmagnifier, PAQ-4C
    BMC 5.56(14.5) LS 6.5-20x TMR, ir-lzr
    CMMG .22LR(16), LM ir-lzr
    CO-LR, L-3
    LS 3-18x H58
    2xPVS-14, 3p
    XD38A, 38mm, 1.5x, 384(50)
    PAS29/COTI
    Odin,17mm, 1x, 320(30)

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