Norinco 1911--What you need to know.

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    Norinco 1911--What you need to know.

    Suppose you are at a gunshow and you happen across an old Norinco 1911. What should you look for? And what indeed should you look for in any 1911?

    Stick around because I'm going to show you. We have a Norinco that we bought two years ago. The gun belonged to Mr Ironsighter's son who became interested in IPSC. He fired about 5000 rounds with the gun and all the parts depicted here are the original parts.

    Take a gander at the slide. Notice that we're testing the extractor tension. Slide a round under the extractor and slowly turn the slide upside down. The round should stay in place until you turn the slide around. And then it should barely fall free. So after 5000 rounds this extractor passes the test. It still maintains proper tension.



    And while we are at it, take a look at the locking lugs on the slide. There's no evidence of battering or peening, so you can tell that the barrel was probably fitted properly.

    Also if you look at the barrel lugs there's no evidence of any peening or battering. This is a very good sign when you take a look at a used pistol.


    I mentioned the extractor earlier and here it is. Because of Squinty's cheap camera and its flash, the color is not quite right. This extractor has a slight purple hue. That's because it's made of real spring steel. If you take a look at the part, there are no seam lines and no casting marks. It is obviously a piece of solid metal. And after 5000 rounds, it still maintains proper tension.



    Now take a look at the firing pin stop. While today Colt uses a cheap schmoed out stamped part, the Norinco firing pin stop is a solid piece of gutsy steel stock.



    The recoil spring guide is also a properly made piece of steel. Not a plastic part. And notice that the gun does not use a full length guide rod. Everything is as Browning intended.

    Now take a look at the slide. Notice that it does not have a firing pin block or any such newfangled foolishness. The slide is made the way that Browning intended.



    Now take a look at the way the slide and frame fit together. We placed the slide on the frame without assembling any other parts. The slide does not fall free. It sits on the frame firmly. And when the pistol is assembled, everything fits tightly. Not too tight, but just right. This is not one of those 1911s that rattles.



    Finally, the barrel bushing and slide stop are forged. Not cast or made of MiM. But forged. And the recoil spring plunger is also a solid steel part.



    And keep in mind that all the parts you see here are original. The frame was freshly parkerized and the grips, thumb safety, grips screws and magazine release are new.

    I should also mention that the plunger tube is still extremely tight and so is the ejector. In summary, this is a very solid rendition of Brownings classic design.

    Anyway, I hope that this post saves you from schmoehood.

    Fluffy.


    P.S. I am a gun snob. I am a snob in general. It comes naturally to me.
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    Thanks Fluffy. Interesting tests. A fellow club member had a Norinco 1911 but he was sold a mail-order lemon and had problems with it. My opinion of Norinco was based exclusively on that one negative sample which may have been fine when it left the factory but got abused later. I had no idea Norincos had so much going for them in terms of good steel and traditional structuring. You may be a 'gun snob' but real snobbery involves unjustified prejudice. From childhood I always felt that if it wasn't a Colt it wasn't a real 1911 - yet another prejudice 'conspicuously contradicted by reality' but still very much ingrained in me. I'm still prejudiced against Norincos too but now its ideological only (and given the nature of our global economy - maybe a little hypocritical as well!). I have a Colt on the way, and I look forward to you 'taking it apart' when it arrives.
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    Re: Norinco 1911--What you need to know.

    I forgot to post pictures of the recoil spring guilde. Here it is. As you can see, it is slightly out of focus. But I'm dealing with a myopic, squinty eyed schnook of a camera man.



    And here's the recoil spring plug. It is also solid steel.



    In a nutshell, with good Norinco, you should leave the slide assembly alone. For the lower assembly, you should install an Evolution Gun Works magazine release and a Cylinder and Slide Hammer set. Then you will have a wonderful pistol.

    Of course I also like the Ed Brown extended thumb safety.

    But if you have a Norinco built the way I suggest, you have an excellent pistol.

    Colt pistols are still reasonably well made; however Colt uses MiM parts in the sear and disconnector. They also use an MiM magazine release.

    If I had a Colt, I'd install the Cylinder and Slide hammer set, the EGW magazine release and I'd also install a proper firing pin stop. I would also install a Cylinder and Slide extractor. And then everything would be well with the world.
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    Re: Norinco 1911--What you need to know.

    Thanks for the addional info and references to the replacement parts for Colt 1911s. The Colt should be here soon and then the lengthy licensing process will kick in. This will allow some time to think about the parts issue. Good 1911 gunsmith specialists are thin on the ground here, so I will have to proceed with caution re parts replacement, particularly when (if) 'drop in' parts need expert fitting.

    Spoke to another shooting acquaintance the other day who bought a Norinco at a ridiculously low price and then had to sell it because new laws banned .45 calibre except for Western Action and Metallic Silhouette matches (which he did not compete in at the time). Looking back, he told me he now regretted letting it go; I doubt that many Norinco owners truly realised how good the Norincos really were. Anyway, under the anti-gun 'Buy Back' scheme, the Federal Government bought the 1911 (A true 'government' model indeed!) and then - along with thousands of other surrendered firearms - they destroyed it. With the generous funding he got from the Australian taxpayer for the doomed Norinco 1911, my shooting buddy purchased a Glock. He had no problem with it, but recently he has learned that thanks to the high quality steel construction of the Norinco and the low quality, irrationality of the Government, he had lost a firearm that was much better than he knew at the time he surrendered it.
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