How much is too much Scope?

How much is too much Scope?

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    How much is too much Scope?

    I'm looking at a new tactical scope for a 6.5 Creedmoor I want to build...but I would like to purchase a tactical scope to practice with before that gun is mine. For now, the scope would be going on my Remington 700 VSSF II 22-250.

    Now I see that the majority of scopes are 5-25x56 or the Vortex Gen II is 4.5-27x56. I realize that 27x is likely way too much magnification to use in any normal predator/varmint hunting situations other than prairie dogs at long range maybe? I do think I would make a point to shoot more steel targets at longer ranges too. However I'm more concerned about size of these scopes. the 56mm objective is considerably bigger than the 40mm objective VX-3 I currently have on my 22-250.

    Would a 56mm objective look out of place and get in the way in hunting situations?

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    What power would you recommend for the scope if it will eventually be used on a longer range platform?

    Thanks for putting up with my lack of knowledge.

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    For "hunting" ... I'd say it matters what you will be hunting and at what distances. For me, most of the creatures I would be hunting, deer, coyotes, hogs, coons, would generate shots at under 200yds. But if I went to Wyoming to hunt Elk/Antelope, then 200yds might be the minimum, with probably 500yds being the maximum. Minimum magnification of 3x seems indicated for hunting and even down to 1x for shorter ranged hunting. A friend I might go E/A hunting with in Wyoming uses a 3-9x scope and shoots 200yds-500yds. For under 200yds, 1-4x or 1-6x is good. Scopes with magnifications of over 3x on the low end risk the hunter waving his rifle around trying to find the target. So think about the minimum magnification more than the maximum. Most people tend to focus on the max, think about the min.

    "look out of place" is irrelevant ... function not form ... but big scopes are bulky and heavy ... and the weight will be an impediment. Lighter is better. A hunting scope, might be different than a long range target scope. For hunting the Vortex 1-6x GenII is at the top of my list. For long range target shooting out to 1000yds, there are several 3-18x scopes that are great, Vortex has one as does Bushnell and L&S. For beyond 1000yds, the 5-25x such come into play.

    When you say "long range", do you mean over 600yds?
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    It really depends a lot on HOW you hunt. I wouldn't even consider a "hunting" scope greater than 16x and a 44mm objective...but I am not looking to shoot a prairie dog at 1,100 yards, and I carry my rifle a lot.

    For the .22-250 Remmy, which is almost certainly a slow-twist, the rifle is going to mostly limit you to a range where a 27x 56mm scope is unneeded unless you are shooting field mice in the dark.

    That said, MAYBE you just want to be a prepared kind of person for that 6.5mm.

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    I hunt pretty open prairie of Saskatchewan. Last weekend I shot a coyote at 517 yards and another at 513 yards with my 22-250... there was no wind though and they were decent size in the scope at 14x but any farther I'd want more magnification. I maintain that both those shots were pure luck as I just held over and pulled the trigger. I would love to be able to dial and just hold dead on them.

    I consider long range 500 yards+. I would love to be able to hit a target at 1000 yards with a new 6.5mm.

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    Ok, well then your hunting scenario is dramatically different from mine. But what is your minimum/typicial hunting shot distance?

    I'm thinking one of the 3-18x scopes might hit your sweet spot. At 3x you would have enough field of view to hunt up pretty close ... but still have enough magnification for your 500+ yard shots and enough to hit most targets at 1000yds. The "dedicated" long range scopes like 5-25 ... I think have too much low end magnification.

    L&S, Vortex and Bushnell all have great entries in the 3-18x space.

    L&S 11.9 inches long ... 24 oz in weight

    Bushnell (3.5-21x actually) 13 inches ... 35 oz

    Vortex 14.4 inches long ... 46.5 oz

    (I went with the L&S ... which some on here hate ... but it is lighter and shorter ... I was skeptical of the H58 reticle ... all my other reticles are TMR ... but I'm starting to like the H58 ... it has 26 mils of potential elevation hold on the reticle ... not that I would hold that much ... but I might hold half that much and that blows away my other reticles)

    Here is pic of L&S MK6 3-18x on .308WIN bolt gun, with lots of irrelevant crap laying around ... the bolt gun is 36 inches long, it is a Compact" edition, so pretty short ... that is a night optic in front of the scope, which I roughly painted tan ...
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    Rem .300WM(24) LS MK5 5-25x T3
    Rem .308(22) NF 7-35x T3
    Rem .308(20) LS Mk6 3-18x T3
    6.5G(18) LS Mk4 6.5-20x TMR
    5.56(18) Burris 3-15x SCR-MIL
    5.56(10.3) TEO IR-Hunter Mk3 60mm 4.5x 640(60)
    5.56(10.5) Holosun P515+3xmagnifier
    5.56(14.5) Burris 1.5-9x cq-mil
    .22LR(16) ODIN 17mm 1x 320(30)
    Tikka T1x Athlon 6-24x
    2xPVS-14 3p
    PVS-30
    PAS29/COTI 10mm 1x 320(30)
    Skeet 17mm 1x 320(30)
    UTCx 70mm 1x 640(60)
    RAPTAR
    RADIUS
    TEO-PATROL 19mm 1x 640(60)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clocked92 View Post
    I'm looking at a new tactical scope for a 6.5 Creedmoor I want to build...but I would like to purchase a tactical scope to practice with before that gun is mine. For now, the scope would be going on my Remington 700 VSSF II 22-250.

    Now I see that the majority of scopes are 5-25x56 or the Vortex Gen II is 4.5-27x56. I realize that 27x is likely way too much magnification to use in any normal predator/varmint hunting situations other than prairie dogs at long range maybe? I do think I would make a point to shoot more steel targets at longer ranges too. However I'm more concerned about size of these scopes. the 56mm objective is considerably bigger than the 40mm objective VX-3 I currently have on my 22-250.

    Would a 56mm objective look out of place and get in the way in hunting situations?

    and

    What power would you recommend for the scope if it will eventually be used on a longer range platform?

    Thanks for putting up with my lack of knowledge.
    Well, sounds like you knowledge exceeds my own. Nice shots, btw.
    Too much, you ask? You must mean like weight and $$. That Vortex Razor II HD 4.5-27x56 you mentioned is a real nice piece of gear. Did you know you can still buy the Vortex Razor HD gen I 5-20x50..yeah, and it weighs almost a full pound lighter, not to mention a full grand cheaper.

    Here, check it out:
    Vortex Razor HD 5-20x50 Rifle Scope EBR-1 MOA 35mm RZR550 on sale

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