AICS vs Manners T4A

AICS vs Manners T4A

This is a discussion on AICS vs Manners T4A within the Rifles forums, part of the Sniping Related category; Im currently talking with oneeyedmac about doing some work to my 5r milspec(308).. One of the major changes to the gun will be a new ...

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    AICS vs Manners T4A

    Im currently talking with oneeyedmac about doing some work to my 5r milspec(308)..

    One of the major changes to the gun will be a new stock because im not a huge fan of the factory stock...

    I was pretty set on a manners t4a until i started looking at the AICS 1.5.. I like the look of both.. just wanted to get some opinions from you guys

    Im sure the manners stock is going to be perfect... I love the look and styling. However, the AICS is damn cool and there seems to be less guys running that style over the A-series.

    The AICS is definatley a little cheaper. The AICS comes with a DBM setup and integrated adj cheek piece.. The manners cost about 675 with the adj cheek piece and a badger DBM runns about 350.. AICS probably saves 1-200 bux..

    My main question, as far as the AICS goes, is the plastic covers nice. Does it sound hollow or have a cheap feel to it? Whats your impression of the quality of the stock?

    If i have the manners built, it will be done with the 90% carbon fiber option, so im not sure which one will be lighter, im sending manners an email now..

    Anyone have a T4A or AICS in the PA, DE, MD area?

    Thanks for any input

    bill

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    I am interested in this too. I have been hearing great stuff about the AICS 1.5 and was thinking about getting if my rifle. You said the AICS is 1-200 cheaper then 675 price tag for the Manners? Where did you find that price?

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    Think he was referring to the manners+ the badger dbm stuff.

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    Re: AICS vs Manners T4A

    Quote Originally Posted by Dcskater602
    Im currently talking with oneeyedmac about doing some work to my 5r milspec(308)..

    One of the major changes to the gun will be a new stock because im not a huge fan of the factory stock...

    I was pretty set on a manners t4a until i started looking at the AICS 1.5.. I like the look of both.. just wanted to get some opinions from you guys

    Im sure the manners stock is going to be perfect... I love the look and styling. However, the AICS is :-) cool and there seems to be less guys running that style over the A-series.

    The AICS is definatley a little cheaper. The AICS comes with a DBM setup and integrated adj cheek piece.. The manners cost about 675 with the adj cheek piece and a badger DBM runns about 350.. AICS probably saves 1-200 bux..

    My main question, as far as the AICS goes, is the plastic covers nice. Does it sound hollow or have a cheap feel to it? Whats your impression of the quality of the stock?

    If i have the manners built, it will be done with the 90% carbon fiber option, so im not sure which one will be lighter, im sending manners an email now..

    Anyone have a T4A or AICS in the PA, DE, MD area?

    Thanks for any input

    bill

    The AICS 1.5 is a really good deal. I have one in olive drab green. As for the plastic on the side it seams more like a hard yet soft plastic. It's the kind that seems like it is make partly of teflon or something since I have a really hard time sticking my dope charts on the stock. But at the same time this type of plastic appears to be rugged even though it will scratch easily. It is not brittle. I don't have a manners stock but I have the McMillan A5 sni-fill with adjustable LOP and adjustable cheek piece with wheel and locking thumb screws. The A5 ergonomics is very similar to the T4A. Now the AICS uses an aluminum chassis for your action so many people do not even feel it is necessary to bed the action. I did not bed mine and my rifle shot fine. You will probably need to bed the manners stock to get the best out of it. Also the weight between the two stocks will differ. The AICS stock will be heavier than the manners combo. Also the AICS is a thumbhole stock and the cheekpiece has a boxy feel to it (once you get behind one you will know what I mean). The manners like the mcmillan I have is a vertical grip so bolt manipulation will be faster. Some people like the thumbhole while others do not. You will have to try both the see which one you like. One thing you forgot to mention in your cost analysis was paying someone to bed the action for the manners and also to have it inletted for the badger dbm since the inletting is not the same as the regular BDL trigger guard inlet. This makes the manners/badger dbm option considerably more expensive than the AICS option. Let me know if you have any other questions.

    Hope this helps

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    i was comparing the manners w/ aftermarket dbm to the aics

    plus the aics comes with an adj LOP too..

    The AICS is definatley cheaper, by the time you buy a manners or mcmillan with the same options (cheek piece and adj length of pull, your at the same price as an aics... then you have to add the $300 for a dbm if you want it... bedding costs a little yea... the aics is def cheaper

    you answered my question, mainly i wanted to know if the aics plastic felt "cheap"...anyways....

    i think the weight might knock the AICS out of the running for me... although i do 90% paper shooting, i dont need to build a rifle thats too heavy for the 10% hunting that i do... The 5r seems a tad heavy already... im not trying to go nuts with weight on the new stock...

    the aics will def be heavier than the t4a with the 90% carbon fiber option im adding... im waiting on a reply from tom manners about the weight of the t4a w/ 90% CF... i think the regular T4A weighs 4.1LBS if i remember correctly... if the carbon fiber drops it to 3.5 or less ill be very happy..

    thanks for the input

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    Try to get a feel on the AICS as I hate how they feel to shoot from. Not a fan of pistol grips. I would definitely get a Manners over an AICS. I have one Manners, a T3, on my 6.5 Creedmoor comp gun and love it. I am having another put on my 300WM which is getting built right now.

    AICS are usually love or hate from most shooters. Yes they are cheaper when compared to Manners and a DBM but what good is saving a couple hundred if you aren't happy with the end product?

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    Rob makes a great point, if you don't like the AICS you just threw away $800.

    I happen to have an AICS 1.5 and a Manners T2 (which should be a comparable weight) and a postal scale. The AICS 1.5 with the magazine is 5 pounds 9.6 ounces, the Manners T2 with surgeon bottom metal is 3 pound 12.1 ounces. The Manners isn't adjustable and isn't bedded so there will be a bit of difference there.

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    Hey Bill

    I'm up in MD and my rifle that I had built was built with the Manners T4A -- i knew it was the right choice for me as shoot as I shot it...personally i prefer the pistol grip style versus the thumbhole type and the Manners has a more sturdy feel, plus when you order it, you can get it in a choice or different colors, weights and even a carbon fiber shell option it you want it lighter...

    Here is mine that I have posted over in the gallery section...it also has the Badger DBM for my .30/06

    http://www.snipercentral.com/forums/vie ... hp?t=28680

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    got a reply from tom manners:

    "the carbon fiber option usually saves about 5-6ounces on the t4...
    it depends on the inlet, but the mcst4 usuall comes in about 2.3lbs with the 90% option"

    oneeyedmac... i think that puts the AICS out... 6lbs is a little to heavy for what i want to be able to do...

    from manners website:
    The standard weight for the T4A is 4.2 lbs. And the T4 is 2.8 lbs
    so im thinking a 90% carbon T4A will come out to about 3.7lbs ... im pretty happy with that...

    i wonder what the stock 5r weighs:/ cant be much...

    its a shame th integral cheek piece is so heavy...

    anyways i think itsgonna be manners for sure now

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    Unless you have a very high mounted scope the adjustable comb usually isn't needed. The comb is plenty high on the Manners. Usually if you need it any higher the small edition of a stock pack, which most use anyways, is enough to make the stock fit.

    Save the cost and weight and get the standard T4.

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