585 HE -- Cases In Production --
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Sabots hold leafd as well as jacketed.
Here is a long turned streamlined bullet ...
Here is a different look at 585 sabots holding 458cal bullets.
Sabots hold leafd as well as jacketed.
Here is a long turned streamlined bullet in our 585.
Anyone wanting to import barrels, actions, cases, etc into Canada from
here can work through Prophet River Firearms in Lloydminster, AB.
The here being the US, as well as our group with barrels, dies, cases,
and McGowen with .585 barrels in stock, CH4D with 585HE dies
in stock, gunshops with # 31 shellholders.
And later few retail outlets setup with cases in stock... . Ed
For lightweight plinking, deer hunting, etc, in 585HE as well as 24ga FH
here is picture of 58cal Hornady sabot that holds .451/.452" light
bullets 225 to 300 gr. A way to shoot targets economically. Low recoil
but a big bang and satisfaction. That sabot is one made for ML, but
with .452" bullet in it is a real tight fit in brass cases, to stay
in place and give good ignition. A 250 gr bullet would go about
mach 4 with a top load..
Here is what 585 bull barrel, target blank looks like, 1 5/8" OD and 32" long.
It'll go in heavy action of some kind. 4th one from the left. The one in yellow
sleave on top, is a heavy contoured one with muzzle of .980" ..The 5th, 6th,
7th blanks on bottom are straight 1.375" 585 regular twist blanks.
One in paper wrapper is slow twist 585 barrel...Ed
Here is picture, nice cast bullet I like for the 585HE and 24ga FH.
It is .585" diameter and 650 gr and these particular ones are a
hard lead alloy, plus they've been heatreated. They are about as
hard as copper jacketed softs. These have a flat base, and
But to penetrate good and do great damage to game or target they
can be soft lead and hollowbase like Minie Bullets. Here is picture
of timber drilled through with .585 soft lead Minie from 585HE.
Picture is the back of 6x6 timbers where Minie bullets came out. Ed
In Canada there are 3 guys there now setting up 585HEs,
and one setting up 24ga FH. Another friend setting up a 585HE
handed out a bunch of cases and info sheets at the SCI convention.
We are getting some more reamers made. Some more dies sent
here. Another pallet load of cases coming.
Here is picture of a light spitzer bullet in the 24ga FH case,
will work in 585 also. Good for hunting and medium range
Here is picture of 585HE we did in the FBW with regular two
piece stock.We put a tenon on the forearm to wedge into the
front of the action below the barrel and a tight barrel band
on the front. Ed
Here is picture of a 585HE we did in a Mauser 98 as a
singleshot test gun. We used a composite stock we
adapted to fit action. Weighted to 12 lbs.
Enfield in back, you can see it is longer.
And speaking of singleshots a fellow in the Yukon is
just finishing up one in a Ruger #1.
Here is one reason to like 585 calibers is bullet varieties,
this picture is only about half the bullets and slugs
we know of, and most can easily found. Ed
There is couple 585 videos on Swann Gunsmithing's Facebook site;
Of our 585HE in first Ruger #1, that was done in Australia, set up
for the poster Tankhunter on the AR big bore forums. That gun killed
the first AUS buffalo by a 585HE, that I posted picture of above. You can
go direct to the page and click on the videos to watch the test firings..
Here is picture our 585HE in a Montana PH action in a MPI stock, with the
style of a CZ stock, that a guy is setting up. The stock will be finished brown
and metal finished with a Gun Kote finish...Ed
One of first modern era 585 caliber wildcats, since WW2, the 575 Miller Greiss Magnum,
was first mentioned in the fifties, It was made from BMG brass shortened to 2.70" long
and necked up from 50 cal to .585" actually if cut off first, it would be annealed, necked
to hold 585 bullet. Fairly sharp shoulder.
They rebated the rim quite a ways to .618" to maybe fit 98 Mauser bolt.
Maybe used a special hogged out, reworked action. Listed as
shooting 750gr bullet about 2400 fps. It holds about 150gr of ball powder under
a 750 gr bullet, maybe little less than 3" 50cal spotter case, where our 585HE holds
180gr under a 750gr'.
We made one for experimenting on a full length BMG case.With rim left same as the base
and would need a BMG or PH sized bolt and action. I'm glad to be a big bore wildcatter,
and happy to be in the company of big bore nuts, old and new. Years ago when
guys did big wildcats they took what was available, to rework, and maybe back then
they could have used the 3" spotter case, by shortening the neck,
if they could have found couple barrels full.
But it takes a lot of work to reform cases that much, with the multiple dies,
multiple annealings, and case trimming and extreme reworking of regular rifle actions,
which is why I like our 585 case, simple and straight, any regular, long bolt action,
falling block, break action, etc, a 585 good for dozen or more heavy loadings,
and moderate loads, last forever..
For our 585HE , made it a size, actually new belted size, to fit regular size, long bolt guns,
(not BMG actions)that didn't have to be used from a tripod, and could be put in a favorite,
of many, the Ruger #1, other falling blocks, without taking metal out of the feed trough.
And to get the same and much more powder space as a cut back,
real short, fat, BMG case wildcatted to 585, we made longer case and worked with guys
with a group buy, to get a factory run made. A miracle. We thank all gun nuts for the help.
Here is picture from the great site, cartridgecollector dot net, of the M&G Mag .Ed
Probably first 375 caliber cartridge made from 585HE necked down, the 375 Warlord.
Guy did a real nice job, with what looks similiar to a Weatherby style shoulder.
Kinda outdoes Weatherby & Cheytac. We have cases with no headstamps for wildcatters.
First notice of the case sent to me today off of a guys facebook.
Another fellow is planning on shortening the 585HE to maybe 2.4", for use Marlins and Henrys,
and other leverguns, redoing their 45-70s. With the belt they will have good headspace control.
Without a rim that takes up space in a levergun action, say like our rimmed 24ga FH, a 585 bore,
but which is perfect with that rim for break actions like our 24ga FH in a Magtech...Ed
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