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    Here is a different look at 585 sabots holding 458cal bullets.
    Sabots hold leafd as well as jacketed.

    Here is a long turned streamlined bullet in our 585.

     
    Anyone wanting to import barrels, actions, cases, etc into Canada from
    here can work through Prophet River Firearms in Lloydminster, AB.
    The here being the US, as well as our group with barrels, dies, cases,
    and McGowen with .585 barrels in stock, CH4D with 585HE dies
    in stock, gunshops with # 31 shellholders.
    And later few retail outlets setup with cases in stock... . Ed
    Ed Hubel

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    Another application for our 585 HE is for guys with the 14.5mm
    PTRDs, to use our case with chamber insert. In many places 14.5
    cases are scarce, real expensive, as well as most 14.5mm cases
    being steel are not the easiest to resize/reload. Our case sizes
    like regular cases and can be easily reloaded many times.
    And in a PTRD with almost a 5 foot long barrel can get 650gr
    spitzer bullet to the same speed the 14.5mm gets a 900 gr using
    3 times as much powder. 3300 fps. Or get a 900gr at 2800.
    Great possibilities for fun shooting. And tactical use in a place
    where it would be useful to reload in the operations field, where
    steel cases are scarce. A 100 cases do over 2000 reloads.

    I like Enfields to put our 585HEs in, for reasonable cost guns. .
    Here is inexpensive way to fancy up the Enfield Bolt handle by
    cutting the dogleg part of the old handle off and welding on
    inexpensive contoured handles I found, one of which is like
    Ruger 77 handle, one on the right . Something even a novice
    like me can do.....

    A lot of guys are crazy about CEB bullets. Here are light 450gr
    ones in our 24ga FH. The hollowpoint can range in weight 450gr
    to 700gr.. The 24ga FH is nice complement to our
    585HE for the shotgun only deer hunters... Ed

     
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    For lightweight plinking, deer hunting, etc, in 585HE as well as 24ga FH
    here is picture of 58cal Hornady sabot that holds .451/.452" light
    bullets 225 to 300 gr. A way to shoot targets economically. Low recoil
    but a big bang and satisfaction. That sabot is one made for ML, but
    with .452" bullet in it is a real tight fit in brass cases, to stay
    in place and give good ignition. A 250 gr bullet would go about
    mach 4 with a top load..

    Here is what 585 bull barrel, target blank looks like, 1 5/8" OD and 32" long.
    It'll go in heavy action of some kind. 4th one from the left. The one in yellow
    sleave on top, is a heavy contoured one with muzzle of .980" ..The 5th, 6th,
    7th blanks on bottom are straight 1.375" 585 regular twist blanks.
    One in paper wrapper is slow twist 585 barrel...Ed

    Ed Hubel

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    Here is picture, nice cast bullet I like for the 585HE and 24ga FH.
    It is .585" diameter and 650 gr and these particular ones are a
    hard lead alloy, plus they've been heatreated. They are about as
    hard as copper jacketed softs. These have a flat base, and
    fairly streamlined..





    But to penetrate good and do great damage to game or target they
    can be soft lead and hollowbase like Minie Bullets. Here is picture
    of timber drilled through with .585 soft lead Minie from 585HE.
    Picture is the back of 6x6 timbers where Minie bullets came out. Ed


    Ed Hubel

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    In Canada there are 3 guys there now setting up 585HEs,
    and one setting up 24ga FH. Another friend setting up a 585HE
    handed out a bunch of cases and info sheets at the SCI convention.
    We are getting some more reamers made. Some more dies sent
    here. Another pallet load of cases coming.


    Here is picture of a light spitzer bullet in the 24ga FH case,
    will work in 585 also. Good for hunting and medium range
    target work.





    Here is picture of 585HE we did in the FBW with regular two
    piece stock.We put a tenon on the forearm to wedge into the
    front of the action below the barrel and a tight barrel band
    on the front. Ed


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    Here is comparison of our 585HE and Trex case, and while
    we have barrels of cases and more coming and many available
    in stock in AUS, many are finding Trex cases scarce...





    Here is picture of a neat falling block that could work for our
    585HE with little work, the Wickcliff.







    Here is picture of the singlestack mag box we built for Enfields
    fitted to the bottom of BBK action.Very little changing and
    it fits a lot of different actions, as a fixed magazine, with its
    own feed lips,and we load from the top.Ed


    Ed Hubel

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    Here is picture of a 585HE we did in a Mauser 98 as a
    singleshot test gun. We used a composite stock we
    adapted to fit action. Weighted to 12 lbs.
    Enfield in back, you can see it is longer.

    And speaking of singleshots a fellow in the Yukon is
    just finishing up one in a Ruger #1.
    Here is one reason to like 585 calibers is bullet varieties,
    this picture is only about half the bullets and slugs
    we know of, and most can easily found. Ed

    Ed Hubel

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    There is couple 585 videos on Swann Gunsmithing's Facebook site;


    Of our 585HE in first Ruger #1, that was done in Australia, set up


    for the poster Tankhunter on the AR big bore forums. That gun killed


    the first AUS buffalo by a 585HE, that I posted picture of above. You can


    go direct to the page and click on the videos to watch the test firings..


    https://www.facebook.com/swanbarrels/videos




    Here is picture our 585HE in a Montana PH action in a MPI stock, with the


    style of a CZ stock, that a guy is setting up. The stock will be finished brown


    and metal finished with a Gun Kote finish...Ed


    Ed Hubel

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    One of first modern era 585 caliber wildcats, since WW2, the 575 Miller Greiss Magnum,
    was first mentioned in the fifties, It was made from BMG brass shortened to 2.70" long
    and necked up from 50 cal to .585" actually if cut off first, it would be annealed, necked
    to hold 585 bullet. Fairly sharp shoulder.


    They rebated the rim quite a ways to .618" to maybe fit 98 Mauser bolt.
    Maybe used a special hogged out, reworked action. Listed as
    shooting 750gr bullet about 2400 fps. It holds about 150gr of ball powder under
    a 750 gr bullet, maybe little less than 3" 50cal spotter case, where our 585HE holds
    180gr under a 750gr'.


    We made one for experimenting on a full length BMG case.With rim left same as the base
    and would need a BMG or PH sized bolt and action. I'm glad to be a big bore wildcatter,
    and happy to be in the company of big bore nuts, old and new. Years ago when
    guys did big wildcats they took what was available, to rework, and maybe back then
    they could have used the 3" spotter case, by shortening the neck,
    if they could have found couple barrels full.


    But it takes a lot of work to reform cases that much, with the multiple dies,
    multiple annealings, and case trimming and extreme reworking of regular rifle actions,
    which is why I like our 585 case, simple and straight, any regular, long bolt action,
    falling block, break action, etc, a 585 good for dozen or more heavy loadings,
    and moderate loads, last forever..


    For our 585HE , made it a size, actually new belted size, to fit regular size, long bolt guns,
    (not BMG actions)that didn't have to be used from a tripod, and could be put in a favorite,
    of many, the Ruger #1, other falling blocks, without taking metal out of the feed trough.
    And to get the same and much more powder space as a cut back,
    real short, fat, BMG case wildcatted to 585, we made longer case and worked with guys
    with a group buy, to get a factory run made. A miracle. We thank all gun nuts for the help.


    Here is picture from the great site, cartridgecollector dot net, of the M&G Mag .Ed


    Ed Hubel

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    Probably first 375 caliber cartridge made from 585HE necked down, the 375 Warlord.


    Guy did a real nice job, with what looks similiar to a Weatherby style shoulder.


    Kinda outdoes Weatherby & Cheytac. We have cases with no headstamps for wildcatters.


    First notice of the case sent to me today off of a guys facebook.









    Another fellow is planning on shortening the 585HE to maybe 2.4", for use Marlins and Henrys,


    and other leverguns, redoing their 45-70s. With the belt they will have good headspace control.


    Without a rim that takes up space in a levergun action, say like our rimmed 24ga FH, a 585 bore,


    but which is perfect with that rim for break actions like our 24ga FH in a Magtech...Ed


    Ed Hubel

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