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Is the .30-06 Dead ???

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    Yet like most WSM's and SAUM's... they only work in a short action with light weight hunting bullets. The moment you go to VLD's you need a long action for them.

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    280AI Run the numbers.
    1000 foot pounds to 1000 yards is easy.
    Nosler Accubond LR 168 gr @ 2950 fps has over 1200 ft pounds at 1000 yards
    1500 yards is reachable.
    Still over 1300 fps and 600 foot pounds
    Supersonic to 1700 yards.
    JBM - Calculations - Trajectory (Simplified)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orkan View Post
    Yet like most WSM's and SAUM's... they only work in a short action with light weight hunting bullets. The moment you go to VLD's you need a long action for them.

    Very true with the short action magnums.
    Cliffy

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    3 maybe 4 round capacity in the factory magazine with the SAUM.
    An Ackley is as big as you go in the 30-06 case family before enlarging the bolt face.
    Nosler makes the 280AI brass now.
    When I re barrel my 270 that is what I'm going to. It will be a hunting rifle plus LR steel.
    If I was building an paper puncher from scratch 6.5 Creedmoor and have the ability to take Deer if I wanted.
    I like the energy of the 280 AI in a non Magnum case.
    For less recoil load it with 140 or 120 grain bullets but you lose the long range high BC.
    Then you are back to a 300-400 yard hunting rifle.

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    I use to shoot a ton of 30-06 when I shill had my m1 grand, but someone gavd me a offer I couldn't refuse. I sure miss that rifle. I loaddd 155 gr sierra palma. The guh offered me $2000 fod it aftef he saw thd targeg I shoot prone with it.
    Cliffy

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    My plan on load development. I have an MTM 100 round ammo box with 100 WW .30-06 cases. I have good supplies of CCI-Br2, WW WLR and Fed 215 FGMM primers and IMR-4350 powder. After prepping all of the cases, I plan to start with 53 grains of IMR-4350 powder and the 175 grain Tipped SMK, 15 rounds using the CCI-Br2 primer, 15 rounds using the WW WLR primer and 15 rounds using the Fed 215 FGMM primer. Then a trip to the range will tell me which primer to stick with. Hornady manual says that 54.5 grains of IMR-4350 is max with 180 grain bullets. And that velocity, 2700 ft/sec is measured in a 23.5" barrel. That would equate to 2750 ft/sec in my 26" barrel. If I detect no pressure signs at 54.5 grains, then 55 grains is the next step in closing in on a target velocity of 2800 ft/sec. I know that there are other powders that may make it easier to get to 2800 ft/sec and they may come later. In vintage 06 cartridges such as the .25-06, .270 and the .280, I have always had good results with IMR-4350 powder, so vintage powder for my vintage .30-06 for a start. At this point it is all about nostalgia and good results in a good rifle. The 100 yard groups will steer me in the right direction.

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    Specsifications on .30-06 from Hodgdon site. COL with 175 grain smk was 3.300". Cases trim to length was 2.484". Velocities ware taken in a 24" 1 in 10 twist barrel. 57.0 grains of IMR-4350 yeilded 2780 ft/sec as a compressed load. They used Winchester cases and Winchester WLR primers. I purdy much don't do compressed loads, but in a 26" barrel this load would do 2830 ft/sec. (In Hodgdon's data, 57.5 grains of IMR-4831 did 2781 ft/sec).

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    Quote Originally Posted by thornblom View Post
    Specsifications on .30-06 from Hodgdon site. COL with 175 grain smk was 3.300". Cases trim to length was 2.484". Velocities ware taken in a 24" 1 in 10 twist barrel. 57.0 grains of IMR-4350 yeilded 2780 ft/sec as a compressed load. They used Winchester cases and Winchester WLR primers. I purdy much don't do compressed loads, but in a 26" barrel this load would do 2830 ft/sec. (In Hodgdon's data, 57.5 grains of IMR-4831 did 2781 ft/sec).

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    Dear Dave

    My brother forwarded me this thread:

    https://www.sniperforums.com/forum/ca...tch-308-a.html

    Then I spotted your thread.

    I have a 30.06 Remington Model 700 with a 30" Wahlter Match Barrel.
    I load 155 gr Siera Match King HPBT with S365 (we only get this in Namibia) and I get 3100 fps.

    Have a look at this combination and see if it is not better than the .308 or the .300.

    For me it is better than a .308 and has far less kick than a .300.
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    To answer this question all you need do is google "German Salazar 30'06". He is not only an incredible shooter but a passionate advocate of the 30'06. You will learn a lot reading what he has published. Here is an example:

    The Rifleman's Journal: Cartridges: Accuracy Secrets of the .30-06 - Part 1

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    I really like my '06, Ruger #1. It has the light barrel, kicks like a mule, but groups quite will for what it is, 1" group with a 22" light barrel. I think this is a great project! I would try the 190s though, they will really buck the wind better. Good luck and send lots of pics.

    Kenny
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