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Keltec KSG Shotgun

This is a discussion on Keltec KSG Shotgun within the Sidearms / Shotguns forums, part of the Sniping Related category; Originally Posted by Karsten As for Recognized Authority....I don't recall any specific Authority giving out the best advise on over all anything.......Hell I hate a ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Karsten View Post
    As for Recognized Authority....I don't recall any specific Authority giving out the best advise on over all anything.......Hell I hate a 9MM and many depts are issuing them right and left....but who am I to say.
    There are recognized authorities: FBI, U.S. Military, IWBA, thousands of Law Enforcement agencies across America - and in other countries, and many others. These are people who don't write about using guns for defense on forums, but must use them daily and at times must use them on other human beings. They know what works and what doesn't. You don't have to believe them. Nobody is criticizing your choice. I am just stating facts.

    As for Aguila Mini Shells I would not want to stand in front of one after what I have seen shooting them.
    That is getting a bit old. I've said it before and will (sigh) once again. "I wouldn't want to stand in front of flatulence after a bean supper. That has nothing to do with whether or not that particular load will save my life when I need it to." Again, if you're sure they work for you, use them.

    1 3/4" Mini 12-ga shotgun shells. Min ibuck shot loads with 7 pellets of 4 Buck and 4 pellets of 00 Buck at 1200 fps. Low-recoil and a great choice for home defense.
    May I ask you though to answer in your mind a very simple question. I don't want to know the answer. Here goes:

    Sure Mini shells might work. They might prove many thousands of hours of scientific research and testing wrong. They might invalidate all the real world experience of over a hundred years of law enforcement and military investigations into the use of ammunition to stop a fight. They really might. But...why would you feel it necessary to take a chance that they are all right and you might be tragically wrong?

    I don't know about you, but should I face a day, again, where my life hangs on my choosing the most effective stuff on the planet, I am not going to risk my life on might. I want proven. YMMV
    Last edited by PeterC; 04-13-2015 at 10:04 PM.

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    Never Mind....You have blow this all out what this post was intended to be. I never said anything about the Mini Shells being my only flipping loa....I stated the KSG shots everything from Mini Shells, 2 inch and 2.75 inch without an issues.

    Close this thread and be done with it.......Snipers Hide all over again.

    Karsten

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    Sorry...my mistake. I could have sworn you posted #9. I must have gotten confused. Nothing personal.

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    First, this isn't meant to be a knock on anyone's choice in firearms. Just wanted to share my main gripe about the KSG.

    The price is too high. For what they are going for around here you can find a used Benelli M1. Or two Remington 870's with money left over for ammo.

    Now, if the KSG was priced around $399 or less I'd probably own one.

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    Wow. Ratchet it down a bit there chief. No need to be so damn defensive.

    Quote Originally Posted by Karsten View Post
    Sorry to say I am not of the Zombie Shooter crowd you speak of.
    I didn't say you were. Where did I say you were? Point in fact I even specifically stated that didn't necessarily apply to anyone here. However, your response to my post causes me to question your experience, where I did not before. Someone with a great deal of expertise typically doesn't have an ego so easily bruised as to cause them to respond in the way you did. Perhaps you can illuminate your experience with shotguns for us? Courses attended? Certifications received? Etc? Perhaps you have a thing or two to teach us/me about shotgunning... but I'll need to have a peek at that resume before I pass judgement one way or the other.

    Quote Originally Posted by Karsten View Post
    As for someone shooting their hand I have only heard of one person and as I recall it was a single plastic pin style VFG intended for use on an AR15 style rail....
    It has happened at least twice, which is easily confirmed.
    A devastating accident with the Kel-Tec KSG - The Gun Writer
    Another KSG Hand Accident/Negligent Discharge With Injury - The Firearm Blog

    Quote Originally Posted by Karsten View Post
    I am not here to say the KSG is the end all shotgun and everyone needs to own one.
    I didn't say you said that. Where did I say you did?

    I simply think it's noteworthy that at least two people have blown their hands off with a KSG. Also that KSG horror stories are not hard to find on the internet. Both of those are facts, and the shotgun hasn't even been out very long. Hardly any of them in circulation. Benelli's on the other hand have been around in the states for a couple decades, with thousands in circulation. Can you show me one instance of someone blowing their hand off? Can you point to tons of horrifically bad experiences with them failing in various capacities?

    Sure, it could be that all the people having problems with KSG's might just be fools, but I sincerely doubt it.

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    +1 to what Orkan wrote. I'm not ever going to question anyone's choice of weapon. I do expect that as responsible gun owners who either use/carry them daily, or trust them to defend our homes and families, that we be honest when we talk about their good or bad points. For instance, I inherited a Lorcin 380 pistol. Would I recommend it for home defense or EDC? Not on your life, literally and every other way. Based on what I know about the Lorcin I own, no one should ever trust their lives to it. If someone just has to have a Lorcin and wants to EDC one, fine. But when they make statements like "Lorcin 380's are the best defensive pistols ever made" I'm going to speak up - and so should everyone. Choosing a Lorcin is not wise, especially when there are so many much better choices out there.

    Same issue with ammunition. No one has to feel obligated to use recommended and highly rated ammo to defend their life.

    But at the same time I feel we need to be responsible and not make blanket statements about ammunition that may or may not accomplish the most important task required of it - saving lives. We owe it to speak out about stuff that might, but most likely might not work. There are too many people who believe everything they read on the Internet. I believe that when they come across a discussion about something as important as protecting themselves and their family they shouldn't read comments based on nothing but rumor or meaningless observations. I believe every one of us should not be insulted when our beliefs are challenged, but should seek out true facts. The only personal part is if, God forbid, you ever have to use that gun and ammo and it fails you.

    Of course, it goes without saying that it would be equally bad if someone chose the gun and ammo you recommended, had to use it one day and it's failure led to a tragedy, and they in turn blamed you for bad advice.
    Last edited by PeterC; 04-14-2015 at 10:11 AM.

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