1,000 yard match = clinic in shooting in the wind

Actually I've been at ASC almost every weekend, you need to come down ot the longer rifle range more than once in a blue moon..

topo-Sniper and I have also been shooting the 600 during the week (generally on a tuesday or thursday), to avoid the crowds of bush-killers that show up just before the opening of deer season.

My ASC membership expires on March 1st 2005, or something like that. I'll continue to shoot at ASC until Bayou Rifles finalizes their long range use (600 to 1,000) schedule (if you are shooting on the 600-1,000 - you cannot shoot the 200 and 300). Once they nail that down, and assuming its acceptable to me, I'll go there not ASC. Before that happens, I'm up for a shooting visit to Bayou (unlimited guests) for you, Topo, Bobby, etc. I figure we will start at the 600 to get our feet wet, jump back to the 800 to develop some confidence then on to 1,000. If we have enough guys we could split into two groups and have someone pull targets for us. If not, or people don't want to do that, we can try to figure impact watching trace (works most times, but when the mirage is nasty it is truly problematic, especailly at 800 and 1,000.)

JeffVN

JeffVN

Tomorrow is not in the cards, unless we want to shoot in medium to high winds and rain (not high on my wish list). Take a long hard look at some of the optics threads on the forum, and more specifically at Mel's discussion of the various sniper scopes that he has tested. You may be able to paint him into a corner and get him to make a single recommendation. (I doubt it as he has the fast and shifty look about him in his pictures ) Besides it really is a personal choice when it comes to brand loyalty.

When I did the sniper thing, we used a 3-9x Redfield acu-range rangfinding scope and worked out beyond 1,000 yards with our M40A1s. Current USMC snipers use a fixed 10X scope for 99% of their work - which include work out to and beyond 1,000 yards. Some will tell you that anything beyond 14X is wasted magnification and only increases the weight of the scope. I'm an old fart and my eyes are not so good. So, I prefer more magnification than 10 or 14X. I'm strongly in favor of 20-26X in a variable format.

My Swarovski scope is a 6-24x with the TDS-4 reticle.

My US Optics SN-3 is 3.8-22X with the MOA Scale reticle.

The perfect scope for me and one that I may be getting in February after the 2005 SHOT Show is a newly configured US Optics SN-3 with magnification of 6-30x and a 44mm objective lens, with a lit newly configured MOA Scale reticle that I posted on this site a while ago.

I'm looking to sell the Swarovski, so if you want to look through it you can have at it next time I'm at the range. The only potential downside to this scope is it lacks a ranging reticle. It has a ranging aspect, but not a pure mil-dot or other ranging capability.

JeffVN

Mel has hit the nail on the head, as I knew he would. In fact he has done so a bit more directly than I anticipated.

Much as I LOVE my US Optics, it is big, heavy, and expensive (Mel's correct go for the 44 mm objective lens not the 58mm). If you have cash to burn (I did when I got mine), they are worth a VERY strong look.

I've seen two Nightforce go down, for whatever reason, so I tend to steer clear of them as a brand, but others swear by them. Leupold is the standard by which people compare - that shold actually tell you something. For the $$ that is where I would spend my hard-earned cash, unless I got a US Optics (did I mention they are big, heavy and expensive).

Like I said before my tired old guy eyes prefer more magnification than what Mel's youg-guy eyes can make function. If its not at least 20X I'm not interested. But, I get variable because when the mirage is kicking butt, you've got to dial down the magnification (to about 15X or so) in order to see.

I can't really explain how the Swarovski ended up on my Patriot Arms (way too long a story). Lets just say the guy made me an offer I couldn't refuse and it cost me what I would have had to pay for the 8-25X Leupold I was looking at. Presto Swarovski glass.

JeffVN

Spade - If you are serious send me a pm with a reasonable offer and we'll take turkey (I have the original box, lens cover gizmo, info, even the embroidered patch that they send you to congratulate you for buying one).

Jeffvn,

I was only kidding on going tomorrow :lol: . Well like I said I could go with my current scope but I'm definitely looking to get something variable but with a slightly higher max end. Perhaps not too high but we shall see. The Mark 4 4.5-14x50mm LR/T M1 seems to really hit a middleground and solid range even though I would prefer 40mm I don't mind 50mm.

I would be interested in your Swarovski, I don't believe I have seen it. However I do prefer to have mil dot and that might deter me from it. I would like to take a look at it, if you don't sell it by the time we find some decent weather for ASC.

As far as the MK4 are concerned. I am strongly considering the 10X40mm mil dot as well even though it is fixed. I'm just going to have to make a trip to some places and look through the scopes and do some research to see what apeals to me personally.

By the way Mel, :lol: , that was soo funny how you guys played off each other on that one. :lol: . As much as I have to agree with Jeff's statements, I do appreciate and repect your opinion. I would heavily weight your suggestions and advice due to your experience.