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Just visiting here to tell about our
12GA From Hell videos on Youtube, and a
little info about our ongoing work. If you
have questions please ask. Here is pic of our
12GA FH cartridge on the right. Ed Hubel

The videos are called--

Grandpa's First Shot

Grandpa's Cannon



 

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That is a 2 3/4" on the left. Now our chambers all
fire shorter plastic and brass cases. Here is pic
of my Savage 210 12ga bolt action we put on heavy
barrel and long chamber. Ed

 

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The first 12GA FH was Robs on AR forum, my Savage was 2nd.
Here is closeup pic of Rob's 12GA FH, a Borchardt falling block
action. Real nice. In picture is along brass 12ga case with one
of Rob's 2000gr bore rider, solid, streamlined slugs. Ed

 

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Just curious, can you ream any say 3 1/2" chamber to accept long brass? What issues would you have with pressure further down the barrel than the original chamber?
And lastly where are your cases modified from existing, or custom made?
Thanks,
JB
 

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Any length 12ga chamber will fire plastic or brass
cases of the same or shorter length. Many 2 3/4 and
3" chambers have been lengthened to 3.5".
In my NEF I lengthened 3" to 3. 85" for the long brass
case we made by putting 12ga size rims on bmg brass.
Others are getting turned brass cases made by RMC
I used NEF because it has heavy barrel full length.
Which is needed due to our slow powder loads with larger
amounts of powder. And that is reason we also added thick
barrels to Savage and Borchardt. It is larger amounts of slower
powders that determine the need for heavy barrels, not
case length. With factory fast shotgun powder loads most
of the space in case is wads.Even 3.5". We just replaced that
with more slower powder. Here is pic of bmg cases with original
rims turned off, stub threaded, to take the premade 12ga rim
pieces shown.Also completed, loaded cases shown.
Also 2nd picture of my NEF I lengthened chamber on,
added heavy thumbhole stock. It fires any 12ga case made
no matter the length up to 3.85". Ed



 

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It is a legal US 12ga round, as long as the chamber
fires 12ga cases of same or shorter length.
The name you give it has no legal standing, like magnum,
paradox, from hl, high speed, superx,etc. Shotgun
barrels are marked with gauge and length.
As for local hunting.Here you can use 2 3/4,3, 3.5, etc
any length case slug load, paper, brass, plastic, etc, any
slug, saboted slug, lead slug, jacketed slug, except explosive
projectiles. Just got to be straight sided 12ga case
IE, you can't neck down a 40mm case to 12ga bore size
and make a legal 12ga. As other regular cases wouldn't
fire in it. Ed
 

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Here is picture of a neat scaled up Sharps replica
that would handle out 12GA FH and my 700HE.
That outside hammer looks great. From a magazine
article in Very High Power...Ed

 

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Here is picture of a dart type 12ga slug Rob made. Body
is aluminum, it has a heavy tungsten carbide insert in the
nose. The TC in the nose is about 5 times denser than AL.
Total length is 2.35 inches, weight about 950 gr. The .75" long
insert a real tight type fit. Heat AL, put in insert, cools, locks on.
It is fairly streamlined, yet has wide meplat for penetration
in game. Flat points penetrate straighter in game.
It is hollow inside in the back, behind insert which puts the
center of gravity way up front, it should fly straight even from
a smoothbore. They are fast to make and material
less expense than copper.In pic is a copper and a brass 600
cal slugs for comparison. Dart/slug on right has insert.Ed

 

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Here are more samples of nice 12ga slugs.....Here is pic of
ones RG Henson sent. Jacketed 12ga. 715gr hollowpoints,
on the right and in front a jkt 675gr hollowbase.
RG's number 1-770-366-4846. These will be great for
shorter plastic and brass cases as well as long cases.
Other slugs in pic, in the back, left to right
Foster 436gr- Dixie 600gr- 750gr brass- my 750gr hollowbase
brass, and a hollowpoint I put a lightweight filler in the nose
for streamlining..Ed

 

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stupid question here, but with that much BOOM... does it quater the game for you on impact?? i am not a huge game hunter, but this seems to be a little much even for an Elk? what game is it intended for and at what distance? i imagine with that dart system you can hit 200yds fairly easy.

i would hate to be behind that thing :cry: what does it feel like compare to say a .50 cal BMG? Cause i honestly dislike shooting slugs from my Benelli M4 adn that thing is a pussy cat, comparied to this Saber tooth tiger
 

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It is for fun and putting big holes in stuff.
My Savage is heavy, and full loads are like a 12ga
8lb gun with super magnum loads.Many big game
hunters are limited to shotguns, and we are helping
them to get more power than rifles at moderate
to short ranges.Ed
 

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Here is picture of our case sectioned next to a
thin factory brass case to show the great strength.
And our case in pic was fired 35 times and shows
no stretching. Ed

 

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Testing 715gr jacketed hollowpoint from RG Henson in Savage 210.
With 30 inch barrel, long brass 3.85" case, big primer.
Slightly hairy load 290gr RL22--2700 fps. Shot moderate load
of 300gr W-860 -- 2400 fps for 3 shot group of 3" at 50
yards with my bad eyes and peep sights. They shoot nice, they go
into target straight.. Other nice thing the price from RG,
for customers getting in on his first run, $1.25 plus shipping.
That is less than half of what other big bore jkt bullets cost.
Call him for some great slugs. They are great like
the Dixie slugs. Ed
 

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Lookee what another santa sent me.
A regular BMG case on the left, and
a straight BMG case on the right, and it
CAME FROM THE MANUFACTURER THAT WAY.

It is primer cartridge for large guns and howitzers.
It is used in those guns/cannons that have powder in big bags.
It is filled with powder and inserted into cannon breach and
when fired sets off the larger charge. On some cannon breaches
they have an automatic feed for these with a huge 40 round
drum magazine. This on is marked IVI 89 C67. IVI is Canadian.
On these breaches it is held by collet fingers for head space
and for ejection.

Ok, there are many thousands more of these out there than the
PROP cases I showed before. We need to find few barrels of these
and have Rob, etal, put on rims.... no annealing.....no fireforming,
just slight resize to 12GA FH. Please help if you know of any.
They would save so much work and time..And even though fired
the bases are perfectly straight, another plus.....Ed

 

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Here is a picture of RG's jacketed 715gr slugs in various
loads.First are 2.75" and 3" factory foster slugs\ for
comparison. 3rd is jkt HP in 3.5" plastic case, 4th in a
3" brass RMC case. 5th in a 3.5" brass case with small
primer, 6th in our long brass 3.85" case, big primer.
Top hairy load in long case in Savage, 2900..Ed

 
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