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Has any one heard of this Marine SSgt at Quantico who is necking down .50BMG to .408? Ive heard this several times at the shooting range on base but no one seems to have "hard corps" proof of the existence of the caliber or the SSgt who supposedly is loading this thing up. I know there are a few retired Marine Scout Snipers and other Marine's with high speed units and MOS's... so maybe they have heard? Scuttlebutt is the guy is a SSgt who is in the small arms ammunition department of Quantico and is developing things for "high speed" units... supposedly its a .50BMG necked down to .408 (for use with the .408 match bullets used in the CheyTac) in an EDM M-96. I know there are some Marine units allready using the EDM M-99's in .408 CheyTac... maybe this is a similiar program? Any info would be appreciated...

like all shootin range scuttlebutt... take this with a grain of salt... or two...

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Hey BC,

Well I can't see anyone necking down a 50BMG case to 408C.
If they have done any reaserch before they built the weapon, they would know that Chey Tac Asc. already tried that and did not get favorable results when they were building there proto-types. The 408CT is built on the 505Gibbs necked to 408. The other thing is that the 408 uses CNC turned bullets {at least mine all are} Bullets and brass only come from a few places and can be a pain in the butt to find. Buy dam if I don't love my 408CT. I don't think they could really improve on the 408 Chey Tac's ballistics as it stands, with out going to a new case platform and a new action design.
The Canadian Military has 338's 408's and 50's in their long range sniper setups. I was wondering who would be the first US force to adopt the 408CT in their line up.
Hope this helps.
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There are allready several US Marine STA platoons (sniper platoons) in use of the .408 CheyTac caliber rifles... supposedly there has been a 2,375 yard confirmed kill in iraq with one allready.

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*THE FOLLOWING IS NOT WRITTEN BY ME*

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New sniper rifle makes debut in Iraq war zone
Weapon shown to hit targets at 2,400 yards

By Laura Bailey
Times staff writer


While Marine snipers using the M40A3 sniper rifle in Fallujah, Iraq, are
touting the Corps' longest confirmed kill in Iraq at 1,050 yards, an Idaho
arms company says its weapons can - and are - shooting farther in the war
zone.
A small number of CheyTac M200 Long Range Rifle Systems have made their way
to Marines in Iraq through U.S. Special Operations Command, said Robin
Sharpless, senior vice president of the Arco, Idaho-based company.

While the weapon is known to have fired accurately at distances beyond 2,400
yards in numerous field demonstrations in the United States, there also are
unconfirmed rumors that it is performing similarly in operational situations
in Iraq.

Sharpless would not disclose the number of rifles in theater or who
specifically has them, but he said the weapon is rumored to have been used
to kill Iraqi combatants at distances of 900 to 2,400 yards.

Military officials in Iraq did not respond to a request for comment by Jan.
21.

With accurate shots at such distances, Sharpless said the CheyTac rifle is
bound to dramatically change sniper standards, possibly giving the Marine
Corps "command and control decapitation" capabilities at greater distances
in the future.

"A $4 bullet could now do what an F/A-18 would take," he said. "That's a lot
cheaper than an F/A-18 and a laser-guided bomb."

The company touts the weapon's .408 round as having an especially smooth and
stable flight capability, allowing it to travel farther.

"We've identified a system to identify, quantify and mitigate the factors
that affect a bullet's flight," Sharpless said.

But the bigger punch comes with a tradeoff in weight.

At 27 pounds, the CheyTac is a bigger load than the M40A3, which fires a
7.62mm round and weighs 16.5 pounds. And that's just the rifle itself.

Beyond the rifle, the CheyTac package includes a hand-held computer system
that calculates elevation and windage and provides the operator with
appropriate settings, such as correction for air temperature and air
pressure.

The system also includes an infrared laser; a sensor package to measure
wind, air temperature and air pressure for feeding into the hand-held
computer; a laser range-finder; and a wrist computer that provides
environmental data. It also features day and night optical systems.
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BC,

Have to delt with the new 6.8 round that was developed? If so what do you think of the round for your basic grunt?
 

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If the US Military would issue M-193 55gr FMJ ammo with the 5.56 i would rather have the 5.56... but sadly 99% of ammo issued to troops is all M-855 steel penetrator **** that doesnt do much damage to the human body compared to the M-193. The 6.8 is a larger round... but does not fragment on impact with human flesh like the 5.56 fmj ammo does. There is another thread that talks all about it... ill post a link to it in a minute or two.

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Thanks for the reply. You can read all about the greatest new round, but it is nice to talk to some one that actually uses it.
 
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