[Nekekami]

OK, read this article, and let it be a warning for everyone:
http://www.detnews.com/2003/specialreport/0312/15/a13-7201.htm

Here's the quiz: Even if the action was faulty, he did several things wrong. Point them out.(Mel, Flea, K2 etc, let the juniors go first on this one, ok?)

 

[Max338]

one thing i would think is that he was pointing his gun towards him as he was unloading. i was taught NEVER to do that.

 

[Jeff_850]

pointing the weapon in an unsafe direction is what he did wrong

 

[Guest]

It also said that he had been unloading his rifle after climbing out of a treestand. Which means he climbed down a ladder, out of a tree stand in the middle of the woods with a loaded rifle. Once on the ground, he proceeded to unload the firearm with the muzzle aimed directly at his leg. Honestly, the reponding police officer ought to have put a bullet in his head for being so ignorant. And finally, in the paragraph explaining how the rifle fires, it mentions the fact that the rifle might fire if the internal parts are worn out or adjusted out of alignment. Oh, really? Who'd of guessed? Well of course something could go wrong if your freaking parts are worn to hell or adjusted incorrectly by you or an obviously untrained gunsmith. In short, he should have had the gun checked out before leaving to ascertain if it was safe to fire. After shooting the deerhe should have aimed the gun in a safe direction and unloaded it while still in the tree stand. Who gave this man his hunting license? If he was looking for someone's sympathy, he shouldn't expect mine. I would have been happier to learn he had to have his HEAD amputated, get one less retard walking on this earth. Whew!

 

[Nekekami]

His failure came far ahead of that. Namely, he didn't do his research. The flaw that the rifle could discharge even without the trigger being pulled was a known design flaw(yes, design flaw, not just due to being worn out) in pre 1982 Remington 700's, with around 150 lawsuits having been brought against Remington. Some Remington 710's have been reported to have a similar problem too.

So all the errors he did when it came to safe weapon handling just compounded the issue. And, can anyone tell me how the hell you can unload a weapon and point the muzzle at your lower leg right below the knee, without the stance being quite awkward?

 

[FLEA]

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Good post Nekekami,

Before you buy use stuff you should try to be as edjucated as you can. I have tried many different people guns over the years and make sure I know as much about the ammo and gun as I can before I pull the trigger. I can't remember the specifics but a berretta m9 model like 10 years ago had a faulty slide lock which caused many accidents and I will never shoot someone elses unless I am confident it is not that model. What really scares me is when a berretta owner has never heard of that problem. Same goes for ammo.....don't buy it unless you know how it feeds, fires, and hopefully pops everytime. Bad ammo can cause serious accidents and your better off paying more for the peice of mind.

Don't use that old ammo that you friend found in his dads garage while cleaning it out.

 

[Nekekami]

FLEA:

Yeah. Which is why I'm kinda wary of testing other people's handloads. Whenever I'm at the rifle range and one of the handloaders is there, I try to keep as far away as possible.

I heard about the problem with the M9's too. It was the SEALs that encountered the problem first, wasn't it?

 

[FLEA]

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Nekekami:

Im not sure if it was SEAL's or not but it was some Spec Ops group that found the flaw in the M9.

As far as handloads. I will shoot some that my buddie will make but that was after I saw him put a 100 or so through his own rifle. I still feel pretty good with my Federal Match though.

 

[Nekekami]

FLEA:

Yeah, I'm perfectly happy with using bog-standard military ammo, or Lapua match ammo. Handloaders can be such a funny breed sometimes, when they are so very convinced that noone can load ammo like they can. Encountered such a man once. I was using Lapua FMJBT match for that practice session. When the man came over to chat with me, I was just setting up for the practice, and he started going on about how he was handloading and how consistent his loads were, and what kind of accuracy his rounds gave him. Now, he's a man in his late 40's, and he had this thing against me being young, because he was saying "You'll learn as you become more experienced" "It's something you'll learn when you become older" etc, so I finally asked him whether he'd like to show me what he could do with his ammo or if it was just empty breeze. He shot quite well, averaging around 0.6MOA out at 400m, with a very well modified Sako Vixen(hunting rifle), modifications done for shooting at longer ranges than usual hunting, and he was using sandbags for support, and a Zeiss scope. My groups at the same range averaged 0.4MOA, including the warm-up group. He was very pissed off, and even more so when I told him that I'm a trained sniper(I wasn't wearing my uniform for that individual training session). That was a personal insult to him, and I don't know why.

 

[morpheus]

I heard about the problem with the M9's too. It was the SEALs that encountered the problem first, wasn't it?

It probably was because the SEALs don't use the M9, they use the P226.

 

[Nekekami]

morpheus:

Some of them use the P226, but we're talking 10 years back, when the SEAL's were indeed using it.

And as for the P226, damn is it a crap gun. I know, the Swedish police has it. The NIS switched from it to the Glock 17, because the P226's broke down completely after firing around 8000 rounds. Not only the barrels were wasted, the action was wasted too. They used up around 140 pistols in around 8 years.

 

[FLEA]

It probably was because the SEALs don't use the M9, they use the P226.

For hand guns seal teams will use

HK Mark 23
Sig P226
Sig M11
Berretta M9

It really depends on what the mission needs but they are not limited to 1 handgun.

 

[morpheus]

Yeah, I know they use the MK Mark 23 the M11, and the P226 along with the M9. But I was just saying that the SEALs use the P226 over the M9 and I just saying that I thought the SEALs were the first to find the problem with the M9, and use the P226.

 

[Nekekami]

morpheus:

Ah, sorry. My apologies then. I misunderstood you.

 

[FLEA]

morpheus:

Ah, sorry. My apologies then. I misunderstood you.

Same here

 

[morpheus]

Sorry if what I said sounded harsh. But it's kind of hard to indicate whether you have an insulting voice or just a normal voice. But sorry if sometimes am a little ignorant, I'm only 15 but I spend every second I can get reading about the military in general and espcecially snipers. Thats why I kind of stay away from the sniper side like camo and hidding stuff, stuff you have to actually go out and learn with your hands and sweat like woodsmanship, out in the boonies. So I talk mostly about stuff you can learn on paper for now. Maybe in a couple of years I can work to be able to claim the title of sniper, but for know is high school and dreams of what I want to do.

 

[FLEA]

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morpheus:

Don't worry about it...things are often taken out of context when written down and read by someone else. I personal have never intentionally meant to insult someone online but I'm sure I have. Everyone starts some place and I remember not knowing anything at one time. We all have been there.....well maybe NEK and MEL were born with it but I wasn't that lucky and it has been a long.....slow road.

Good luck with whatever you want to do.

 

[Nekekami]

morpheus:

Don't worry, it was I who misunderstood your sentence.

FLEA:

Ah, I see you've studied the rules of combat *Points at your sig* I prefer the number 1 however... =)

"Rule of Combat no 1: Incoming fire has the right of way"