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This may help... it really did help me identify some faults with my technique. If you are left handed just reverse all the information.. good lock and loading!! If you are using 10 twist barrel, hornady makes a VERY good factory match ammo hornady black in 180gr, if 12 twist try 168 gr.. the longer your barrel, the slower burn rate you want. The general idea is you don't want pressure and burn to still be generating once the bullet has left the barrel... this is for many reasons, 1) it's just wasting powder if it's not propelling the bullet and 2) if there is enough pressure still expelling after the bullet has left the barrel, that pressure can actually act as a tail wind blowing your bullet of center causing wobble or tumble... any seasoned loaders please correct me if this is wrong.:)

Edited by mod to remove pistol shooting chart from a rifle shooting discussion. Never bring a pistol to a rifle fight.

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That's a good Idea... I just have a old tarp I use but I bet a rubber mat for my bipod to rest on would be nice when laying down... I've always used this but yesterday got some bags I'm anxious to try out... I've been dry running them and they are comfortable


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I have a similar shooting bag combo from Amazon that was empty when I got it, so I filled it with rice. It works really well at keeping the rifle steady and it seems to really reduce the harmonic feedback when firing off a round. I feel it's helped with my load development as it helps with accuracy.
Mine came packed full, I didn't look to see what buy by the weight and feel i would guess it some kind of sand. I'm guessing it will take me a few to get accustomed to it as I've always shot free hand, from a sled or bipod... I hope it helps my consistency as it did yours :)

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Mine came packed full, I didn't look to see what buy by the weight and feel i would guess it some kind of sand. I'm guessing it will take me a few to get accustomed to it as I've always shot free hand, from a sled or bipod... I hope it helps my consistency as it did yours :)

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I've setup dry in them and they feel VERY comfortable..

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I've sort of gotten into PRS style shooting at my range. Short story is you have between 90-120 seconds to engage several targets at various ranges with between 8-10 rounds. In most stages you have to vary your firing position and your support. Most of our stages have known ranges so you can write up your range card for that stage on a piece of tape.

The sponsors really dream up some crazy stuff for shooters to do in a stage. I.E. two shots lefty prone two shots righty prone, two shots lefty supported by a barrel.. You get the idea. If you're not quick getting locked into your positions, you end up not sending all the prescribed number of rounds down range. Almost everyone that shoots these things is running an Atlas or Harris bipod. They'll usually let you use one bag for front or rear support which you may or may not use depending on the obstacle you have to shoot on/around/next to.. ETC. The bags you've got might work for load development, but I'd consider getting a decent bipod and practicing with it. I've attended the PRS style shoots because I wanted to sharpen my skills as a hunter and as a target shooter.

When my rifle is on and conditions permit me with my skill set to ding out to a 1000 yds then I practice quickly getting into a firing position that I studied and sending rounds down range. It's not likely I'll place high in these events, but I think quickly evaluating the terrain you have to work with and getting best firing position you can quickly, allows you more time to pick your shot when the big one comes out. You are not lugging those bags out in the field.
I do have a bipod as well, I've become pretty good with it.. I don't hunt I just target shoot but what your describing does sound fun or challenging at the least. I mainly am interested in long distance... Right now I've finally got my main 2 rifles lapped in and tuned, a 22-250 and .308, both I've gotten pretty sharp up to 500 yards now with the end goal being 1000. I had been using a lead sled but it's really cumbersome to carry onto the range however its great for tuning your scope, once my barrels were broken in I'd say within 5 shots I had my scopes tuned perfect. With 55gr eld, 41gr h380, cci lr primers my 22-250 is dead on at every distance I've went to (500 yards) it has a rtz feature on the scope, once you have it zeroed (i zeroed at 100 yards) you just turn the rtz adjuster to 200 yards when you shoot at 200, 300 for 300 and so on and it has been dead on without fail. I think the next scope for my 308 will have return to zero adjustment in it.

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I've mentioned this before, a spotter can be a great help getting dialed in out to a 1000. The RO at my range has a mil reticle in his spotting scope to call out the mils I'm off on wind and elevation. That is a big help for correcting poa. Depending on conditions, sometimes you can see the air disruption from the round heading downrange. Seems to be easiest to see when you are right behind the shooter if you can see it at all.
That's probably going to be one of my next Investments is a good spotting scope right now we just use a pair of mid-range binoculars and it's pretty difficult to be stable enough with those two really do any good although since I started using those splatter targets it's made it easier. And by the way I found out my wife forgot to send out that package to you that has those rounds of new Starline 308 brass for you to try out she said she's going to get them shipped out today so hopefully you'll get them real soon

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thx. I've used binos too when a buddy brought his 338 lapua out with him. I have a pair of Nikon 7x15's (i think that's the zoom) that I would lean against a post for stability and call hits for him when I didn't get access to the Spotter with the mil reticle. He's got some eye issues that he's hopefully going to get cleared up at the VA. They're starting to yank the chains of vets using their medical benefits when they retire. THATS A BUNCH OF F___ING BS. I better not get started!!!
I agree if you went to fight for your country when you get back your streets oughta be paved with gold our vets need to be taken care of more than anyone else in this country

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thx. I've used binos too when a buddy brought his 338 lapua out with him. I have a pair of Nikon 7x15's (i think that's the zoom) that I would lean against a post for stability and call hits for him when I didn't get access to the Spotter with the mil reticle. He's got some eye issues that he's hopefully going to get cleared up at the VA. They're starting to yank the chains of vets using their medical benefits when they retire. THATS A BUNCH OF F___ING BS. I better not get started!!!
I ordered a 10 ba stealth 6.5 mm Creedmoor a couple weeks ago it's supposed to be in within the next day or two I can't wait to try it out

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I am hoping to get into some PRS events down the road, they look like a lot of fun. I got the .308 because all indications were it was "the" round to learn long distance on and so far it's been a lot of fun. Since I am kind of a masochist I am contemplating getting my next rifle in .223 and playing with that. Hand loads are capable of reaching out and touching 1000 yards and the effort it would take to hit those ranges with that particular round perks my interest.

All that being said I miss my 7mmM and the flatness of that round, it's got me thinking about 6.5CM now lol.
Yeah after reading about then and then seen this particular Savage Precision model 6.5 I had to order it this thing is sweet it has a 28-inch barrel it doesn't come with any Optics though so I'll have to purchase some optic separate but this thing is long and sleek fluted barrel fluted bolt 6-position stock adjustable cheek rest and it's left handed LOL

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I have a 223 it's a bolt action pretty high-precision 223 and getting out Beyond for 500 600 yd with it is really difficult. Another issue with 223 is if it is chambered to handle 556 pressures then the 2:23 ammo isn't nearly as accurate in it now that new wylde chamber is supposed to be equally as accurate with the 556 or the 223

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I had the same thing happen... all I did was loosened it and re-tightened going back and forth in small increments and it pulled it's self back in line... I may have just got lucky

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Don't waste a good rifle lol... according to your own description, you didn't have the problem until you removed the scope and hardware... there is a VERY HIGH probability it's just something minor or goofy. Just my 2 cents:)

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Don't waste a good rifle lol... according to your own description, you didn't have the problem until you removed the scope and hardware... there is a VERY HIGH probability it's just something minor or goofy. Just my 2 cents:)

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Are there any screws that could be threading down into the action and pushing on the bolt or something similar... a friend of mine made that error on his Remington, the screws he used were too long, just long enough that they skewed the action of his bolt... I don't know how he didn't feel it

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