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Gentlemen,

Hello, First post here.

Looking for TACTICAL glass to put on a SAM-R type rifle for Mid Range (to 600 yards-ish).

Further considerations are:

1. It must be side parallax adjustment - Mandatory

2. It must have TACTICAL turrets (by tacticle turrets I do not mean "target knobs" held on by three small, highly stripable and un-repeating set screws) - Mandatory

3. Variable power 4-14X minimun with no higher bottom end than 6X thru whatever, the higher the better (Would love like a 4-20X... I don't recall ever seeing one)

4. Mil-Dot reticle

5. 1/4 MOA

6. Preferably not over 50mm objective diameter

7. Illuminated Reticle wouldn't offend me but not mandatory

8. Matte Finish

9. Under $500

Current scopes I am considering are Falcon Menace Menace 4-14x44mm FFP, Millett 4-16x50mm TRS-1, Looking into the Millett LRS-1 (anybody know anything about these... Pricing???)

PLEASE ENLIGHTEN ME on anything else that I might be missing that fits the model!
 

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JarHeadTim said:
Looking for TACTICAL glass to put on a SAM-R type rifle for Mid Range (to 600 yards-ish).
3. Variable power 4-14X minimun with no higher bottom end than 6X thru whatever, the higher the better (Would love like a 4-20X... I don't recall ever seeing one)
You only need 6X to shoot at 600 yards, 10X is enough to compensate for poor eyesight, 14X is really pushing the envelope, and only benchrest shooting would ever use something as great as 20X for 600 yards.

Can I intrest you in something closer to 3-10X?
 

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I know I'm new here, and I do value all opinions, but I am by no means a novice.

Even though my eyes aren't what they used to be I recently made Master in NRA High Power competition. So while I can shoot 192's @ 600 with iron sights it's not optimum. I am a member of a gun club with a 600 yard range and do a fair amount of "mid" range shooting. Here's what I know about my self, the better I can see something the better chance I have a chance of hitting it. IMHO to shoot 1 MOA targets @ 600 yards requires more than 6X and I know in my case my Leupold VXIII 8.5-25x50 is just about right for me.

So please tell me how the significantly lower magnification will benefit me...
 

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JarHeadTim said:
So please tell me how the significantly lower magnification will benefit me...
Try and understand that a forum that caters to “snipersâ€
 

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Slick,

I hear you. Field of view isn't a big priority for me and based on my experience I can accomplish anything I need to for rapid target acquisition with 4-6 power at the ranges I would be using this rifle.

What is more important to me is accurate bullet (77 Gr. SMK) placement on a 6"x6" target to 600 and slightly beyond (I'm sure you can all figure out what I mean by the 6"x6" without me spelling it out any further).

S/F
 

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For the price range you've laid out, the Falcon 4-14 would be my choice, and breaking slightly out of that range I would give a Bushnell 4200 6-24x50 Tactical a try. I think the Bushnell is about $500-550.

-matt
 

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All I can say about considering Millet is the advice given to me was right. IF you get a good one fine otherwise you'll be like me sending them back since April and now I think they are ignoring me. Hard depressing lesson learned.
 

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I know that everybody's experience is going to be different. But I got a TRS-1 from a gunstore a while ago. Mounted in on my rifle, went to boresight it, and the reticle didn't even move! Luckily the store took the scope back minus a $20 "restocking fee". Even though I didn't feel I should have to pay a fee for them to take back their defective scope, it's better than nothing. I like to think of that $20 as tuition. The lesson I learned was to never do business with Millett or that gunstore again.
 

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I've looked for similar, and have really been eyeing the Falcon Menace 4-14x44, Burris XTR 3-12x50, Millet TRS 4-16x50, Bushnell 4200 Tactical, and Leupold 3.5-10x40. These were choices I was looking at for a relaxing varminter.

For the DMR AR I'm (slowly) building, I'm thinking something more in 2.5-8 range, such as the Leupold MR/T.
 

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Anyone (Mel possibly? :)) able to compare the clarity and light transmission of the Mueller Tac 2, Bushnell 3200, and Burris Fullfield? I really haven't heard one bad word about any of these scopes, and seem to be the ultimate in the sub $300 price range. I'd like to hear how they stack up against each other.
 

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ogre said:
Anyone (Mel possibly? :)) able to compare the clarity and light transmission of the Mueller Tac 2, Bushnell 3200, and Burris Fullfield? I really haven't heard one bad word about any of these scopes, and seem to be the ultimate in the sub $300 price range. I'd like to hear how they stack up against each other.
Consider reading the review maybe?
 

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There's a Bushnell Elite 3200 Tactical 5-15x40, with all of your requirements. It can be had for around $450 in Canada, probably less in the USA.
 

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ogre said:
Anyone (Mel possibly? :)) able to compare the clarity and light transmission of the Mueller Tac 2, Bushnell 3200, and Burris Fullfield? I really haven't heard one bad word about any of these scopes, and seem to be the ultimate in the sub $300 price range. I'd like to hear how they stack up against each other.
I have the Mueller Tac II on an SPR-type AR in 6.5 Grendel, and I also have the Bushnell Elite 3200 10x40 (was on the Grendel, going on a different build this weekend). Both scopes are pretty serious for the short cash. Both are clear and crisp, but I'd give a slight edge to the Bushnell for edge-to-edge clarity... But just barely.

I wouldn't hesitate to recommend either one, and I would definitely buy both again if I needed another scope.
 

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ogre said:
Uh...I did. Read all three (again) right before I typed that request. I was asking for a direct clarity comparison, and didn't see anything in the reviews.
"The dots are of the ".2 mil" size (actually .22), or the same as the US Army size dots. They are circular (not oval, or football shape). The reticule appears to be of the correct dimensions when compared against leupold and other scopes with mil-dot reticules. The optics on the scope are very good, sharp and clear. We compared it side by side to many scopes including a swift 6-18x, nikon buckmaster 4.5-14, leupold Mk4 10x & 3.5-10x and burris fullfield 2 3-9x50mm. The optics are superior to the swift, and slightly better than the nikon and about the same as the Burris, maybe slightly better. It was not far behind the leupold's when compared side by side with these very high quality scopes. Light gathering and contrast are very good, but because of the differing sizes of the objectives on the comparison scopes, it is hard to rate one better than another."
 

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ogre said:
Uh...I did. Read all three (again) right before I typed that request. I was asking for a direct clarity comparison, and didn't see anything in the reviews.
"The dots are of the ".2 mil" size (actually .22), or the same as the US Army size dots. They are circular (not oval, or football shape). The reticule appears to be of the correct dimensions when compared against leupold and other scopes with mil-dot reticules. The optics on the scope are very good, sharp and clear. We compared it side by side to many scopes including a swift 6-18x, nikon buckmaster 4.5-14, leupold Mk4 10x & 3.5-10x and burris fullfield 2 3-9x50mm. The optics are superior to the swift, and slightly better than the nikon and about the same as the Burris, maybe slightly better. It was not far behind the leupold's when compared side by side with these very high quality scopes. Light gathering and contrast are very good, but because of the differing sizes of the objectives on the comparison scopes, it is hard to rate one better than another."
Thanks, but I still didn't see anything about the Bushnell 3200, particularly the 5-15x40.

Anyone (Mel possibly? ) able to compare the clarity and light transmission of the Mueller Tac 2, Bushnell 3200, and Burris Fullfield?
The Mueller Tac 2 does sound like a sweet deal for a budget plinker or varminter I have in mind.
 

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hey i am a scout in the infantry in Iraq we use the Leupold but that is a little pricey I don't even own one the falcon menace is what i am putting on my rifle and from what i hear it is pretty good asked around to the special ops guys one guy bought one for his son and said he really liked it and like i said i just bought one myself
 
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