I am 16 and your average poor teenager, i have $300 in my savings and $100 on me, i make $25 a week mowing a lawn...i am saving up all my money from my lawn mowing for a weatherby vanguard (new ones, not wal mart ones) in .22-250 and i started looking at Rem 700 adl's and thinking i could find an old cheap one and ask my dad to help me build a custom...i was wondering what everyone would recommend on barrels, action modifications, stock, bedding, and trigger. I would probably sell everything but the trigger and action off of the 700 unless there is something else i am not thinking of off the top of my head that i may need...remember this is BUDGET..lol, I may or may not do this, only if it would be economical as i know i could get much better accuracy out of a custom then a mass produced rifle..thank you for your input and time
Changing my mind, thinking of builiding a rifle
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Cody, trust me on this, I am the king of getting rifles when your broke. lol. Seriously ask Dan. I know where your coming from. Two years ago I was in the same situation. Currently I have two rifles!!!!!!! (not to mention two handguns *cough*) First of all get a real job! even a minimum wage job would be very helpful. Second, I would personally through out the "build a custom rifle" idea. I myself know that I have much more to learn before I build a custom rifle.
My advise, for an accurate, yet not overpriced rifle, is to go with a 700BDL. These are extreamly reliable and very accurate rifles out of the box. Plus you can always find a used one. If you save up and build the rifle correctly, you can have a much better rifle.
Remember: patience is a virtue, and trust me, when you do build it right, it is much more satisfying, because you will actually be able to hit what your aiming at!!!
Hope this helps!
My advise, for an accurate, yet not overpriced rifle, is to go with a 700BDL. These are extreamly reliable and very accurate rifles out of the box. Plus you can always find a used one. If you save up and build the rifle correctly, you can have a much better rifle.
Remember: patience is a virtue, and trust me, when you do build it right, it is much more satisfying, because you will actually be able to hit what your aiming at!!!
Hope this helps!
Savage rifles offer Remington's out of the box accuracy at a MUCH MUCH MUCH cheaper price
they used to have crappy triggers but now they have accutrigger which is nice, thier action isnt as smooth, just you can get a McMillian stock on a Savage for almost as little as you can get a Remington 700P
i dont like the standard law enforcement model stock as much as i like the stock on my Remington but for $450 its a bargain and they are almost as upgradable
i just like the 700 action and i love my 700P
just about every world class sniper rifle uses a Remington 700 or a 40-X action, there are some exceptions that i would consider sweet rifles though
they used to have crappy triggers but now they have accutrigger which is nice, thier action isnt as smooth, just you can get a McMillian stock on a Savage for almost as little as you can get a Remington 700P
i dont like the standard law enforcement model stock as much as i like the stock on my Remington but for $450 its a bargain and they are almost as upgradable
i just like the 700 action and i love my 700P
just about every world class sniper rifle uses a Remington 700 or a 40-X action, there are some exceptions that i would consider sweet rifles though
Well Cody,
Actually, it's a relief that you are considering .22-250 Rem. One of those excellent rifles I wrote about above is a Remington VSSF chambered in, you guessed it, .22-250. It's my varmint gun, and might as well be my target gun as well. You probably have shot the caliber before, but a word of warning, 22-250 is one of the most difficult cartridges to load for. It's a finicky caliber, and the time you spend behind a press reflects that when compared with the easy .308 Win. Enough talk of reloading (you may not do it yourself), I'll put in my 2 cents.
As ready as you are to built a custom rifle Cody, my opinion is that you should consider production rifles. You have listed a variety of things you could replace, and I feel that a good production rifle will be cheaper than the custom job. If you are not a serious target shooter, and this is your first serious rifle (We've all had a Wal Mart .22 lr...), the factory accuracy of a quality rifle should suffice. I told you two years have passed since I bought and outfitted my first "real" rifle, and if I said I could match the performance of the rifle I would be lying. Though I've learned much about markmanship, shooting sports, reloading, gun care etc. in those 2 years, I still have a long way to go until I can appreciate a custom rifle. I hope you understand you will probably experience the same thing.
I would suggest that you do indeed check into 700 BDLs because if in the future you choose to have custom work done on the gun or buy accessories for it yourself, the Remington will have more options than the Weatherby due to it's popularity/design. Weatherby is a good gun, but I've heard the rifles manufatured in Belgium walk all over the Japanese ones. Be careful.
Consider a Remington VS or VSSF. Their heavy barrels and HS Precision stocks make accuracy very affordable. Believe me, I was so happy with my first Remington VS, I bought the second VSSF without shopping elsewhere.
Whatever you decide on, here's a list of the things I would consider:
Synthetic stock (Humidity in PA...)
Adjustable Trigger (Reminton is excellent, can adjust to about 2 lbs safely)
Free floating barrel (The harmonics, or vibration, increase accuracy)
There's the general few that I wouldn't pass up.
Check www.gunsamerica.com for rifles for sale.
Good luck on whichever road you take Cody.[/b]
APK would be right. Him and myself started the exact same way you are. We struggled to get the money, and wanted every bit of performance and reliabilty we could get. If ever there was a time for "The Best bang for the buck", we went there. Two years later, and now an adult, I've seen that the road we took couldn't have been more smooth. We each own two excellent rifles now and have fun every single time we go to the range, whether the groups are a personal high or low.
Actually, it's a relief that you are considering .22-250 Rem. One of those excellent rifles I wrote about above is a Remington VSSF chambered in, you guessed it, .22-250. It's my varmint gun, and might as well be my target gun as well. You probably have shot the caliber before, but a word of warning, 22-250 is one of the most difficult cartridges to load for. It's a finicky caliber, and the time you spend behind a press reflects that when compared with the easy .308 Win. Enough talk of reloading (you may not do it yourself), I'll put in my 2 cents.
As ready as you are to built a custom rifle Cody, my opinion is that you should consider production rifles. You have listed a variety of things you could replace, and I feel that a good production rifle will be cheaper than the custom job. If you are not a serious target shooter, and this is your first serious rifle (We've all had a Wal Mart .22 lr...), the factory accuracy of a quality rifle should suffice. I told you two years have passed since I bought and outfitted my first "real" rifle, and if I said I could match the performance of the rifle I would be lying. Though I've learned much about markmanship, shooting sports, reloading, gun care etc. in those 2 years, I still have a long way to go until I can appreciate a custom rifle. I hope you understand you will probably experience the same thing.
I would suggest that you do indeed check into 700 BDLs because if in the future you choose to have custom work done on the gun or buy accessories for it yourself, the Remington will have more options than the Weatherby due to it's popularity/design. Weatherby is a good gun, but I've heard the rifles manufatured in Belgium walk all over the Japanese ones. Be careful.
Consider a Remington VS or VSSF. Their heavy barrels and HS Precision stocks make accuracy very affordable. Believe me, I was so happy with my first Remington VS, I bought the second VSSF without shopping elsewhere.
Whatever you decide on, here's a list of the things I would consider:
Synthetic stock (Humidity in PA...)
Adjustable Trigger (Reminton is excellent, can adjust to about 2 lbs safely)
Free floating barrel (The harmonics, or vibration, increase accuracy)
There's the general few that I wouldn't pass up.
Check www.gunsamerica.com for rifles for sale.
Good luck on whichever road you take Cody.[/b]
well there are 6 rifles in my home and 4 are mine that i shoot alot and they are as follows(none from wal mart)
marlin 880ss .22lr (ss means synthetic and stainless)
Weatherby Vanguard Synthetic 7mm Rem Mag(new one not wal mart one)
Custom 7mmRem Mag built from a Interarms MarkX action
Old lever action .300 Savage(alot of fun)
Smith & Wesson model 1500 in .300 Winchester Magnum
Pre-64 Belgium made Browning bolt action in .300Winchester Magnum(heavy barrel very good shooter)
the first 4 rifles listed are mine, last 2 are my dads and i am looking for something that will shoot atleast like my dads browning which i an easy sub moa gun adn my synthetic vanguard will go sub moa with my sierra matchking reloads(yes i reload and yes i know 250 is finicky)
so as you can see this isnt exactly something i am new at, and my dad has built more than one custom rifle so he could help me very much in that aspect and would probably even pay for some of it although i would much rather do it on my own
marlin 880ss .22lr (ss means synthetic and stainless)
Weatherby Vanguard Synthetic 7mm Rem Mag(new one not wal mart one)
Custom 7mmRem Mag built from a Interarms MarkX action
Old lever action .300 Savage(alot of fun)
Smith & Wesson model 1500 in .300 Winchester Magnum
Pre-64 Belgium made Browning bolt action in .300Winchester Magnum(heavy barrel very good shooter)
the first 4 rifles listed are mine, last 2 are my dads and i am looking for something that will shoot atleast like my dads browning which i an easy sub moa gun adn my synthetic vanguard will go sub moa with my sierra matchking reloads(yes i reload and yes i know 250 is finicky)
so as you can see this isnt exactly something i am new at, and my dad has built more than one custom rifle so he could help me very much in that aspect and would probably even pay for some of it although i would much rather do it on my own
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personally id go for a 700P. Savages are great too..
Building a custom (in my experience) is more expensive and more frustrating than working with a decent platform from the start.
16 with no money feels like yesterday for me. Summer job helps alot.
Good luck!
rob
Building a custom (in my experience) is more expensive and more frustrating than working with a decent platform from the start.
16 with no money feels like yesterday for me. Summer job helps alot.
Good luck!
rob
Cody,
You could do what im doing. I have a Remington Adl Synthetic (in your case a vanguard). I got a Minium wage job washing dishes(5.15 an hour but what the hell its money). I Save $20 or $30 a week. And ill put on new things graduatly. First i think a new Stock. Just my 2cents
You could do what im doing. I have a Remington Adl Synthetic (in your case a vanguard). I got a Minium wage job washing dishes(5.15 an hour but what the hell its money). I Save $20 or $30 a week. And ill put on new things graduatly. First i think a new Stock. Just my 2cents
i was thinking of buying a 700 adl as there are more available and thats what i think i would do is build up over time, but i want it t shoot atleast like my custom 7mm and my dads .300 WM, just in a small caliber for varmints, and i ahave enough gun experience to do this with my dad helping me, and i feel it would be nice to learn
o, and i am getting a job as soon as i get my license on August 27
o, and i am getting a job as soon as i get my license on August 27
I'll throw in my $0.02. I suggest two things. 1) get a paying job (the $$ will accumulate faster, even if its at minimum wage. 2) save your cash until after next hunting season then visit every pawn shop in your area, looking for hunting rifles that have been turned in. Mel did this and found a gem in a 7MM Remington Magnum that he used for the basis of the original SC1 prototype. When you find something good in the pawn shop that's what you get. Be it a .223, .308, 300 win mag in Remington, Winchester, Sako, whatever. You will save a fortune on depreciation, and you'll have more $$ to spend by saving your cash now.
Where are you located in NW PA? I have (or had I have not spoken with them in nearly 10 years) some friends in Erie, Ohio, and further south near Alleghengy College. Great county, not too many pawn shops though.
Where are you located in NW PA? I have (or had I have not spoken with them in nearly 10 years) some friends in Erie, Ohio, and further south near Alleghengy College. Great county, not too many pawn shops though.
i live about 50 miles southwest of Erie...you are are right not many pawn shops... i have thgouht alot about used and doing this just not looked at many used guns, but it'd also be something i would shoot a little before customization and yes i am gettting a normal job, as soon as i get my license which is in a month and a half, but i should make another $150 before then
ok well i am going to buy a remington 700 adl synthetic in 204 ruger,local gunshop would sell one to me for $389...$111 off of msrp and i had been thinking about 204 rugers and found out mroe about them today, guite fast little buggers and he told me the idea behind it was because all the other fast rifles you couldnt tell whether you hit what you were shooting at or not cuz it was there before recoil was over, so they came out with this that doesnt kick at all and you can watch there little heads explode in the scope
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