[SpEcTeR]

This goes out to everyone but especially guys like Flea, Nek and Mel. I wanted to hear what brands or types of armor work best for urban and military combat. I might end up needing something like this for a potential job that I am considering and I don't want to spare a cost in exchange for my life.

I am considering class IIIA and IVA because I might come very close to Iraq and don't want to take any chances. I have been looking at Point blank tactical kevlar vests that stop up to 44 mag stand alone. The floor is yours gentlemen...

 

[FLEA]

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I use a point blank vest. My vest is a level IV....a level IIIA is what normal officers carry and is make for handgun rounds....this is because more officers killed in the line of duty are killed with thier own weapon.

My vest has a level IIIA kevlar along with two S.A.P.I. (Small arms protective insert) plates that ugrade the level.

According to the manufaturer it will stop Armor Piercing 7.62 NATO USM AP round 166 grains @ 2850 ft/sec

I just wouldn't want to test that out.

Sometimes the extra weight is worth it. :wink:

 

[Jeffvn]

Flea sounds good in theory, but even if the vest stopped that round, which it may well be able to, the blunt trauma of the impact from the round would likely be enough to kill you.

I was in the State Partol in Ohio, and we wore the then standard issue 16 layer vests (at least he smart ones did) under our uniform shirts. One of our troopers took a 12 gauge slug into his vest at center mass from about 25 yards. The vest did a hell of a job and stopped the slug, but he died from the blunt trauma of the impact within a day or two.

 

[FLEA]

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Jeffvn:

I would rather take my chances then let the round go through me and hope in does not hit the important parts :wink:

I know exactly what you are saying though..... they had bullet proof face masks for entry teams (they look like hockey masks) that can stop a 9mm round or a buck shot to the face......sometimes every little bit helps....like in some posts before....the laws of physics are broken from time to time and it might just work out in your favor.

There was a guy who shot someone else from 5 feet away in the head with a 9mm and the bullet bounced off the guys skull and hit the shooter in the chest killing him instantly. Sometimes some one out there is just looking out for you.

 

[Jeffvn]

No question or quarels from me on that one. Better to wear it and hope it works than be an idiot and not wear it at all.

I saw those masks, but it did not register that they were kevlar. DOOGH!!!Excellent - they finally invented the bulletproof head!

 

[SpEcTeR]

If I get Hard IV rifle plates that are kevlar coated and place the soft Second chance trauma plates on the inside: will I still run the risk of possibly dying from impact?

I've tried to research this on my own but the information I have found so far has been incredibly vague. The vest I am looking at is very similar to the one you posted up as part your gear Flea. It has the buttons on the front and back to add pockets, holsters or radio holders. It has an extraction strap on the back, plus it zips up closed with a panel in the front to cover the opening. I'm just concerned about the 7.62 X 39mm round which is very popular overseas.

 

[FLEA]

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Specter:

Vest information will be very vague....and there will be so many variables involved it is almost impossible to see the outcome.

I would definatly recommend a hard plate http://www.pointblankarmor.com/plates_tactical.asp and just hope for the best.