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I was having a discussion with our training department the other day. I stated that a sniper would more than likely want an elevated position if they were to attack our plant. They disagreed with me and said that the sniper would be at ground level. I asked them why they thought that was and they couldn't give me an answer. I was just wondering if you thought that an elevated position would be better than trying to shoot through a fenceline. I know that I would try to get to higher ground if I were a sniper so that I could shoot over the fence. I would very much appreciate your opinion on this. Thank you
 

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I would think that I would want that elevated position for a better point of view to be able to see more ground and possibly clear obstructions.
 

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I'd say both yes and no. The elevated positions gives you a better field of view, but they are also far more obvious to observers or counter-sniper teams. There's also the risk of your silhouette against the background exposing you by breaking up the familiar contour. It all depends on the surrounding terrain, vegetation, the layout of the facilities, what kind of fence etc
 

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Nekekami said:
I'd say both yes and no. The elevated positions gives you a better field of view, but they are also far more obvious to observers or counter-sniper teams. There's also the risk of your silhouette against the background exposing you by breaking up the familiar contour. It all depends on the surrounding terrain, vegetation, the layout of the facilities, what kind of fence etc
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So let us say that there is a tree line maybe one to two hundres yards from the fence line. Would you say that there would be a good place to put a sniper? in the trees? I very much doubt that you would be seen in there and you could get elevated and just wait for people to cross into your sites. I tried explaining this to the training departement but they do not want to here such things. I can not really get into detail about our defensive strategy, but I believe there are flaws that will cost people their lives for no good reason.
 

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Shooting through a chain link fence would pose problems, it would have to be one heck of a good position for me to take the risk of hitting a "link" when firing through the fence. But Nek is correct, EVERYONE assumes a sniper would be in an elevated position, so thats the first place they look for counter-sniper

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Falling asleep in trees and falling hurts. :cry:

As far as elevated positions or not, it would depend on the goal / target of the sniper in question.

How thick is the tree line, does it have dense undergrowth, is it pitted with small creeks, is it just pine needles, tall grass, short grass.

Personally, I would try for a semi elevated position to get an angle over the fence (depending on it's height). If there is one specific target that is vulnerable, such as huge fuel trucks, or chemical trucks, a couple large cal holes can ruin your day.

A large cal bullet from an elevated position could take out a roof AC unit and then he could have some easy shots of the repair crew.

A lot of it depends on your facility, is it near a huge highway with a tree line on the other side? Is there anything to drown out the report of a bullet, such as near an airport? Are you in B.F.E. (butt pooped egypt)?
 

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I take it you're talking about personal experience? :lol:

Lucky for me, I have never had that happen to me. However, forgetting that the condensation from your breath will freeze on the surface you're lying on, in mid winter, gave me a less than comfortable slide down from between some huge boulders and down a slope filled with round stones(Remnants from various ice ages, when the giant ice layers moved back and forth over the landscape).
 

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I take it you're talking about personal experience?
A mild way of putting it. :lol: But to be fair, I didn't break any bones, dislocated my shoulder on another branch on the way down. Yeah, I thought I was super hooah secret sniper in the tree, glad I didn't have a round chambered, its a good way to acciedentally kill someone or yourself.
 

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This is actually very funny! An old grizzled ex-USMC sniper told me a little rule that I never forgot:

"There are only two ways for a sniper to get out of a tree: To fall out, or get shot out."

At sniper school they put it a bit more practical: "E&E is extremely difficult when in a tree as is your exfiltration"

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What exactly is this plant anyway? Chemical plant, power plant, sewage plant?
 
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