[jnr4817]

I am going to a gun show tommorrow. I was wondering if there is a good antique or old gun to get for shooting. I also was wondering if it would be a good idea to buy and old adl or bdl and us the action to make me a rifle instead of buying one. What better adl or bdl action.

any ideas on good ole guns to get.

etc. m44, mauser, m14, etc.

 

[DR308]

What to buy, what to buy???

OK: Lets take the OLD GUN first. What do you plan on doing with it? Plinking,? Varmints?, Target,? Hunting,? Would a .22 do? or 338 Win Mag? I think I need more information to give you a good answer to your question.

Now: The Remington. Yes, it would be a VERY good idea to find one in a pawn shop, or from a private party to buy and use it to build your own personal once in a lifetime rifle. Just make sure that the action is clean, and the bolt is in good shape. Look at the back face of the bolt lugs and make sure they are not battered or damaged in ANY way. It really dosn't matter weather it is an ADL, or a BLD. There is BDL trigger guards and floor plates available after market. And a lot better quality to. I have some H&S STEEL trigger guards and floor plates. Much better than the pot metal rem gives you. If you take your time and do it a piece at a time, You can do it for a pretty reasonable cost. And it will rival ANYTHING you can buy from anyone. I hope this helps you.

 

[subThermal]

Look at the back face of the bolt lugs and make sure they are not battered or damaged in ANY way. It really dosn't matter weather it is an ADL, or a BLD. There is BDL trigger guards and floor plates available after market.

Exactly! I have an older ADL based rifle I used an HS "lower assembly" with a 10 round 308. And ADLs are a heckuva lot cheaper.

Speaking of which, in the DFW area of Texas, I have found Gun Shows to be raising prices, not lowering them. I could have easily bought new BDLs for the price of used ones from the gun show.

They don't know what the hell they are doing, or that the internet exists.

 

[DR308]

SUB: I have found that gunshows now are nothing more than rolling RETAIL stores manned by the same guys no matter which show you go to. I have no trouble finding better deals in the local papers than at a gunshow. Don't go to them to much anymore. If I do, I have a table and sell my stuff there. My prices are low enough to sell all of my stuff on the first day, and really piss the retailers off because my prices are that much lower than there's. I suggest buying from a private party or find a LITTLE out of the way small town one day gunshow where just the locals set up there tables.

 

[subThermal]

Agreed, I normally call pawn shops now and forgo the dealers if I can (exception being handguns).

 

[DR308]

:? Exception being handguns???

Sub: Federal law states that you have to be 21 years of age to BUY a handgun FROM AN FFL DEALER. You must be 18 to have one in your possesion. I am not in anyway suggesting that ANYONE BREAK THE LAW, but if you got one from a private somebody, and and you were 18, I would think it would be pretty darn close to within the law. It is my humble opinion that an armed society is a polite society, and if it were up to me, every women[if not everybody] at the age of 21 would recieve a Federal concealed weapons permit after being trained at a goverenment sponserd training facility. I do realize that you must be 21 to even apply for a concealed permit, but the way I figure it is that you will have 3 years of practice to hone your skills! I don't know, but the way I see it is if you are old enough to join or get drafted into the armed services to learn how to kill in this country's wars, You ought to be able to have and learn how to use a gun when your 18!! Just a thought. We thought this way back when we were being drafted and sent to vietnam.

The more things change---the more they remain the same!

 

[DR308]

Sub: Did I read right? You are a retired 11 Bravo??

 

[subThermal]

I meant, I don't buy handguns from pawn shops. I get those from a family friend who owns a gun-range in South West DFW. He doesn't deal in Rifles so I get used ones from pawn shops, or goto Academy, or other outdoors stores.

Hell, I find good deals at Walmart from time to time.

Sub: Did I read right? You are a retired 11 Bravo??

Nail, hammer, and you hit it on the head.

 

[DR308]

Sorry Sub: I wrote the first reply thinking that you were a youngster. Then I saw the sign off at the bottom. Had to ask. I went in in 67-- 101 for my first 5, then Navy until 85. Retired now also.

 

[jnr4817]

ok so if i buy the adl or bdl action , what else will i need to build me a sniper. what is included in the action?

 

[DR308]

If you buy an ADL, the action will come with, bolt assembly, trigger assembly, safety, trigger guard, and bolt release stuff. If you buy an BDL, you can add a trigger guard assembly and floor plate and internal magzine box.

 

[DR308]

What you will need to build a rifle.

EVERYTHING ELSE, AND ALMOST ALL THE PARTS MENTIONED BEFORE!!!

 

[jnr4817]

so after i get my action i need to buy stock, barrel, trigger guard, etc.

what do yall suggest for stocks. I was looking at the hs m24 stock, or the there precision stock.\\and what kind of barrel is good too.

 

[DR308]

JNR:

There are a lot of very different opinions on how to set up your rifle and what parts to use. There are a few really good barrel makers out there, Kreiger, Rock, Hart, just to name a few. You have to figure out what Cal. your going to use, what weight bullet your going to use because that will determain what twist and what length barrel you will have to use. Then you will have to decide chromemoly, or stainless. Then you will have to figure what kind of recoil lug you are going to use. Now you are to the action itself. Who is going to do the accurizing? Should I open up the mount holes or not? Should I put in a sako exstractor or stay with the stock one? Should I use the stock bolt release, or figure out a new one? Should I replace the firing pin? Or put in a stronger spring? Or both? Sould I put on a new saftey or modifiy the stock one? Now you are to the trigger. Are you getting the picture JNR? There are a thousand and one things to consider when you make your rifle. The first being what are you trying to make. A target rifle? A hunting rifle? A shooters rifle? What is the farthest yardage I will be shooting and what will be my target? You have some planning to do man. I truly hopes this has helped you to narrow it down for you some. I will be watching this site. :shock:

 

[SpEcTeR]

jnr4817,

Not trying to be rude but, it seems like you haven't bothered to do ANY research whatsoever. I would suggest you pick up some books, such as the ones Mel has on his page and read up a little because even though we are trying to help you here you could still make a misinformed costly mistake or purchase.

Do yourself and your wallet a favor and do your homework. :wink:

 

[jnr4817]

Thanks for a;; tje help.
I have done quite abit of research, but its hard to get started on this project when you dont where to start. I have played airsoft now for 5 years and when i first got started i was just like this. i know a little about it but its hard to put eveything together. I just need a starting point.

 

[DR308]

JNR: A real good place to start is to figure out what you want to be able to do with this rifle. After that, I would get the action first, then get it accurized by A GOOD GUNSMITH, or a machinest that knows what has to be done with the action!! After that is done, you can figure out the rest, we will help any way that we can. But remember, there will be ALOT of different opinions coming at you. You will have to sift them all out. Good luck.

 

[jnr4817]

I want to do midrange target shooting, maybe long range. I am not much of a hunter, i want to develop a good shot. I want to be very accurate. I like to shoot guns. I want to enjoy shooting this rifle. As far as scopes go i have a leupold. I play airsoft and we practice with a Swat team. So I bought it from one of them. Its mounted on my airsoft m40a1, along with harris bipod, real mo40a1 stock, etc. Damn airsoft is just as expensive as real steel.

 

[subThermal]

Airsoft can be, yes.

If you are comfortable with the M4, you might look at DPMS rifles in .308. They would be pretty much what you describe as wanting, and function almost like your airsoft gun.

However, if you want a bolt-action long range rifle, consider buying an SC1, for the price, it also does everything you want, and it gets done for you.

If not, you will need an Action, Barrel, Stock, Optics (what model is yours?). Of course, a gun smith will need to make the action true, lap the lugs, and all that fun stuff, depending on the barrel, he might have to thread it, crown it, etc. He will need to bed the stock as well.

You opened a huge can of worms with your post. :wink:

 

[DR308]

JNR: Sub is right about buying your first rifle. There are plenty Of rifles out there to fit your bill. I would suggest that you look into getting the Rem700 Varmint rifle in .308, put your glass on it, and find out what you like to do! Then when you are ready, you have the best starting point from there. It's a no brainer! I hope this has helped you. 8)