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Very nice gun but very big.....deasert eagle size....Its pretty accurate but I would recommend a USP tactical instead....cheaper...smaller...lighter.
 

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i like teh H&K Mk23
havnt gotten a chance to shoot one yet
but i hope to get one when i become old enough to get my ccw
like FLEA said it is a big gun and i agree with him a smaller USP would be better as a carry gun
 

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It won't really be a carry around gun, I was also thinking of maybe a sig sauer p226 in a 40s&w..Anyone shot that one? I don't really want a desert eagle sized gun but i dont want a compact either, looking for great accuracy and range.
 

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If your going for a 40 try a walther p99....Im not a big fan of sigs...they shoot great but don't have the best reliability. Alot of gun ranges are ran by gun stores and you can rent different handguns......I say try that and see what realy suits you best....comfort....trigger pull...accuacy....remind what works flawless for me...you might hate.
 

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only problem (shooting ranges around here anyway) is that when ya rent a gun they dont clean them for months and several people use them
still its worth a try to see what guns feel like etc
 

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only problem (shooting ranges around here anyway) is that when ya rent a gun they dont clean them for months and several people use them
still its worth a try to see what guns feel like etc
The plus side of shooting dirty guns with worn in springs and parts you will know how the gun performs after some serious abuse.
 

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FLEA:
very true

however accuracy isnt going to be near what it should be if there are a few thousand rounds down the barrel and have been sitting there for a few months
 

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however accuracy isnt going to be near what it should be if there are a few thousand rounds down the barrel and have been sitting there for a few months
Again....if the accuracy is decent with a worn barrell on a mistreated firearm just think of how well it will perform new....and if it can't hit the broad side of a barn after a few thousand rounds do you really want that gun anyway......the beauty of guns is in theory they should always work and outlive us.
 

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I have been reading this forum and I have to say it. I have been a die hard 1911 .45 auto man for over thirty years. And I have to tell you all, GLOCK IS THE BEST FIELD SIDEARM IN THE WORLD, BAR NONE!
Any disagreements? Lets here them, I will take it a point at a time. :!:
 

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I currently am a happy Glock 17 owner but wish to get something with more energy. I was cosidering the HK USP tactical. I have however read good things about the Glock 37 GAP. I realize that this is a propietary round and consequently carries altered ballistics but, since you are a .45 die hard I wanted to hear what you think.
 

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First off, let me say that I do not have a .45 of any type any longer. I just saw no need for it any more. In my opinion the .45 GAP is a gimmick.
If you have ever fired there model 35,[ there single stack .45 ACP ] it is a very hard recoil and a whole lot of people did not like it at all, including me. They just down loaded it a little to help tame it. The .40 cal is nothing more than a down sized 10mm. The .380 is a down sized 9mm. And the .45 GAP is a down sized .45 ACP. I carry a model 19 and I love it! A 15 round mag, with one in the chamber 16. A large caliber pistol has a lot of merit. But I would rather be very good with a pistol I can completely control, and hit what I am aiming at. A heavy cal pistol will always have it's place. But I would rather carry a large capacity side arm. I hope this answers your question.
 

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The single stack .45 acp is the G36. But thats what I heard, that you would be better off with just hanging on to your .45 autos. The GAP is not ballistically superior in any way (despite the company claims. It is not possible to shorten the cartridge and better the ballistics) and kicks too much for the pistol it was designed for. The G37 is far too small and light, since the GAP is overloaded to try to compensate for the velocity and power loss afforded by the decreased overall height of the case. It was designed to give the user .45 power with 9mm capacity. But in my opinion, if you need more than 7 or 8 rounds of .45, you seriously messed up, my friend :( !
 

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Jeff_850:

Learning to shoot with dirty barrels and non-match ammo is great practice. The best shooters learn to cope with such factors involved.
 

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Jake: Your thoughts on not needing any more than seven or eight rounds areon the verge of being show off. I don't mean that as a slam, I mean that as a caution only. Let me give you an example:


It is 1 AM and you are on your way home from where ever. You stop to get gas or a coffee at the nearest stop and rob. You have just walked into a full blown armed robbery by 4 very nasty perp's and ALL of them are armed! With 8 rounds in your pistol you are down to 2 rounds apiece. ARE YOU THAT GOOD???? :shock:

1. I don't care if you are the type that can shoot one jagged hole a 25 yd's. When the crap hits the fan, your fine little group that you shoot under the pressure of time on the range is going to spread out like a shot gun!
2. When you only have 8 rounds, you are stting yourself up to have to do a full speed reload without cover. Ever try a full speed reload under pressure?
3. The more rounds you have in your pistol, the more time you have to get to cover.
So, you may want to rethink what you have in your head as gospel. Just some thing to think on for awhile.
 

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DR308:
i agree completely
just cause i shoot well at the range doesnt mean im going to shoot through the same hole kind of accuracy in that kind of a situation
in that situation a light recoiling weapon that has a larger mag (9mmL and .40 S&W come to mind here) still has ample power to knock someone down and the hit probability for your 2nd 3rd shots and so on are greater
also you might shoot a target 2,3,4,5 times w/ out realizing that you pulled the trigger

Nek:
doesnt sound like a bad idea
 

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Even expert shooters are hard-pressed to survive in a 1vs4 scenario, 1vs2 is hard enough. Just practicing against static targets in a killhouse is difficult enough.
 
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