[JCinPA]

I have an earlier version of the Hornady manual, but the only new thing I'm trying lately are the 178 grain ELD Match bullets I just bought. I'm going to work up an OCW load for my gun using Norma Brass, Federal 210 primers, these bullets, and either Varget or 4064.

Would anyone with a later manual mind posting the data for those two powders and this load? C.O.L., too?

Thanks very much. I'll play with the bullets and get the chrono on them and post results of the workup. Preesh!

-John

 

[MDof2]

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[308Impact]

So I have been shooting the ELD M 178 for .308 using 42grains if IMR 4064 with with a COAL of 2.84 "fits AI mags" with winchester primers. Getting one ragged hole at 100yards.

 

[308Impact]

I shoot about 5" groups at 1k even on a windy day its still about 6"-8"

 

[JCinPA]

So I have been shooting the ELD M 178 for .308 using 42grains if IMR 4064 with with a COAL of 2.84 "fits AI mags" with winchester primers. Getting one ragged hole at 100yards.

Thank you! You’ve been all kinds of helpful today! Preesh!

-John

 

[308Impact]

Thank you! You’ve been all kinds of helpful today! Preesh!

-John

Anytime brotha..happy chootn!

 

[dmvelarde]

Help with Hornady an SMK seating bullets for .308 an 300WM

I have a question about the brass and bullets, I use FC & Horandy brass for my Remington 700 - 308 and 300 WM.

Question is, I resize an trim the brass IAW the technical data for 308 which is trimmed to 2.005" an 300WM is trimmed to 2.610".

Using Hornady bullets 220gr & 178gr ELD-X and SMK 190gr & 200gr for my 300WM and SMK 190gr & 168gr for my 308. I was under the impression that once you seat your first bullet the rest of them should be the same. I noticed when seating the first bullet for both my 300 and 308 I have to constantly readjust my seating die because they never come out the same there's always a couple of thousands more or less than the original seating of the bullet to the specified seating depth. Is this normal because I've been told that once you seat your first bullet the rest of them are supposed to be the same. Is this normal? Is it the bullet because the bullet ogive is not the same for each bullet even though the manufacturer claims they should be?

 

[gpark09]

I have a question about the brass and bullets, I use FC & Horandy brass for my Remington 700 - 308 and 300 WM.

Question is, I resize an trim the brass IAW the technical data for 308 which is trimmed to 2.005" an 300WM is trimmed to 2.610".

Using Hornady bullets 220gr & 178gr ELD-X and SMK 190gr & 200gr for my 300WM and SMK 190gr & 168gr for my 308. I was under the impression that once you seat your first bullet the rest of them should be the same. I noticed when seating the first bullet for both my 300 and 308 I have to constantly readjust my seating die because they never come out the same there's always a couple of thousands more or less than the original seating of the bullet to the specified seating depth. Is this normal because I've been told that once you seat your first bullet the rest of them are supposed to be the same. Is this normal? Is it the bullet because the bullet ogive is not the same for each bullet even though the manufacturer claims they should be?

Are you measuring from the base to the ogive or to the tip? You are talking about same brand bullets when you were seating and measuring, right?

The same occurrence really bothered me when I first started reload.

 

[dmvelarde]

I go from the head of the case to the ogive of the bullet. And when I'm seating the bullets I always have to make fine adjustments either two or three thousand up or two or three thousand down but when I do seat my first bullet to the correct seating depth the rest of them don't follow as I thought they would, I always have to make those fine adjustments check & recheck each of the bullets that I make. And like I said I'm using the Hornady Chamber Bullet Comparator Gauge. That's the gauge I use to check the length of my bullet.

 

[16952]

So I have been shooting the ELD M 178 for .308 using 42grains if IMR 4064 with with a COAL of 2.84 "fits AI mags" with winchester primers. Getting one ragged hole at 100yards.

I have a question. I acquired some old loading data from a Hornady manual that says for the 178 BTMP Match and 178 A-Max the max load is 41.3 gr of IMR 4064. I see you are shooting 42 gr of IMG 4064. Have you seen a pressure signs like flatten primers, can't open the bolt, cartridge seem to be stuck in the chamber. I am shooting a Rem 700-R5 and a Remington TAC -21 in 308. Will these rifle take max load and beyond and still be safe. My other concern is will the pressure be higher using 41.3 gr of IMR-4064 due to the fact the 178 ELDX has more surface area touch the lands. So much to consider be fore I go dumping powder and pulling the trigger. Please advise and share your concerns.

 

[hard nose street cop]

From what I’ve read Hornady uses 43.4 Grs of Varget in their factory loading of the 178 Gr BTHP Match ammunition.

 

[16952]

From what I’ve read Hornady uses 43.4 Grs of Varget in their factory loading of the 178 Gr BTHP Match ammunition.

Thank you. For now I have to stick with IMR-4064 since that is all I have and I can't get any more powder from anyone. Can't find R-22 or H1000 neither. It's a damn mess.

 

[suffering4hope]

So I have been shooting the ELD M 178 for .308 using 42grains if IMR 4064 with with a COAL of 2.84 "fits AI mags" with winchester primers. Getting one ragged hole at 100yards.

What brass?

 

[hard nose street cop]

Thank you. For now I have to stick with IMR-4064 since that is all I have and I can't get any more powder from anyone. Can't find R-22 or H1000 neither. It's a damn mess.

Your very welcome wishing you all the best

 

[16952]

I have an earlier version of the Hornady manual, but the only new thing I'm trying lately are the 178 grain ELD Match bullets I just bought. I'm going to work up an OCW load for my gun using Norma Brass, Federal 210 primers, these bullets, and either Varget or 4064.

Would anyone with a later manual mind posting the data for those two powders and this load? C.O.L., too?

Thanks very much. I'll play with the bullets and get the chrono on them and post results of the workup. Preesh!

-John

Thank you! You’ve been all kinds of helpful today! Preesh!

-John

Is this in Hornady or Federal brass. It's makes a big difference for all of us to know this information.

Thank you! You’ve been all kinds of helpful today! Preesh!

-John

So I have been shooting the ELD M 178 for .308 using 42grains if IMR 4064 with with a COAL of 2.84 "fits AI mags" with winchester primers. Getting one ragged hole at 100yards.

I just put 43.5 grains of 4064 in a federal cartridge and as I set the COAL using RCBS precision die I go this. Anyone got any ideas as to why?

 

[Rob01]

From what I’ve read Hornady uses 43.4 Grs of Varget in their factory loading of the 178 Gr BTHP Match ammunition.

Hornady doesn't load that load with Varget. They use a different powder. Varget is an excellent powder with the 178 BTHP or ELD-M though. I load 44grns with Hornady brass with them in my .308.

 

[16952]

I was kind of hoping your were using Federal or Hornady brass. Oh well, maybe someday someone will and we'll finally be able to get a 1 MOA group out of these 178 ELD-X in a 308 Winchester R5 and TAC 21 with the 1 in 10 and 1 in 11.25 twist using 210M and IMR-4064. Did find others who are saying 41 gr which is .3 gr less than recommended max load is working well. We will try this in the meantime. The factory said the lot # of projectile I have shot .933" at 200 yards using their combo but they surely are no going to tell you the magic load and save us all a lot of money and grief.

 

[Rob01]

I was kind of hoping your were using Federal or Hornady brass. Oh well, maybe someday someone will and we'll finally be able to get a 1 MOA group out of these 178 ELD-X in a 308 Winchester R5 and TAC 21 with the 1 in 10 and 1 in 11.25 twist using 210M and IMR-4064. Did find others who are saying 41 gr which is .3 gr less than recommended max load is working well. We will try this in the meantime. The factory said the lot # of projectile I have shot .933" at 200 yards using their combo but they surely are no going to tell you the magic load and save us all a lot of money and grief.

There is no magic load. You have to do the work with your rifle and find what works in it. The ELD-X is different than the M and the BTHP in that it has a thicker jacket so will most likely hit pressure faster but again your rifles will have to tell you that.

 

[16952]

Thank you! You’ve been all kinds of helpful today! Preesh!

-John

I'm thinking I may have missed this but what type of rifle and twist are you shooting the 178 gr ELD-X in. I have not had any luck with a Rem 700 R or the Rem TAC-21. Well, at least not the types of groups I'm lookin for. I'm looking for 5 shots in a dime or even a nickle at 100 yards

 

[Red-Team-98]

44.0 of Varget
178 ELDX
WW brass
CCI BR2 primers
308 Win
2.885”