As I was in my LGS today trying to find something that I just could not do without, I found nothing. That's sort of a sad state of affairs for an old gun nut I have been revisiting my old friend the .308 Winchester, and have been running a lot of ladders for different powders. I already had my Varget loads pretty well finalized, but I tried CFE223, IMR4064, and BL-C(2), To my surprise, all of the best loads came within 20 f/s of each other. Varget and IMR4064 had the best groups over a range of loads, but all the best loads were very close with sd's of 4-10. I think I will stick with the Varget because I use it for other rounds and the temp stability. I looked through the factory ammo with 168 grain projectiles. Most of the factory loads were running very close in the low 2600's like mine, then I ran up on the Hornady 168 ELD-M Superformance Match bullet #H80963. It was listed at over 2800 f/s. I came home and Googled it and found their literature stating that they had a powder that was low pressure producing higher velocities and accuracy. Since all the loads that I am using are running from 50-60,000 psi, can someone help to expand on their claims. Also, is this a good accuracy velocity? I haven't run any .308 Winchester at that speed. Just another old man filling in retirement time with trivial thoughts.