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Hi thats my frist time to post here , :oops:

and i do think its a great site with good info :idea: ..

and as for the frist thing i wanna aske if some one could help me with this scope , if its good or not and if its worth to buy :?: ......

http://www.horusvision.com/hv.cfm?pg=demogame

and if its not good , which do you think is the best one with in 1500-2000$, i don't have alot of money to buy more than that , i still need to get a new rifle...

BTW i am a new shooter and i am getting my very own SVD soon 8) , and i think after that i would like to get a Bolt-action which i think better than the SVD , i like the SVD but i do think that and Boltactio rifle could do better....

Next month i am going to my army uint and i am joining TF-777 ( not from the US ) ...
 

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Personally, I've never been sold on the system. Yes, it does work, but there is way too much stuff in the viewing picture of the scope to confuse and even distort the target you are looking at. I prefer mil-dots, and if you want simplicity and you know the metric system very well, then here is the mil-dot formula to use:

How many centimeters does a single mil cover on the target?
add a zero and that is the range in meters to the target.

The mil relation formula is dang easy if you use the metric system, its when you use english units of measure that it gets complicated.

MEL
 

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thanx MIL!

i do like the system seem very easy to use , MIL-dot is good too may be i would get both one fixed from US-optic and one from horus in 8.5/17 , the US-optic would be a backup and for long range and the horus for fast shooting .....


BTW , mil do you make your own rifles and if you do , can you make them in 7.62/54R :roll: ......
 

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Flanker,

Yes, I do build my own rifles
http://www.snipercentral.com/sc1.htm

The 7.62x54R is an interesting question. I've never done it, and I know I chamber my barrels in it, the question comes with the rimmed case fitting/feeding in the remington bolts/extractors. If that is possible, then it will not be a problem.

MEL
 

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mele said:
Flanker,

Yes, I do build my own rifles
http://www.snipercentral.com/sc1.htm

The 7.62x54R is an interesting question. I've never done it, and I know I chamber my barrels in it, the question comes with the rimmed case fitting/feeding in the remington bolts/extractors. If that is possible, then it will not be a problem.

MEL
:wink: can you look into it , i mean if you can make in 7.62/54R , and if so would it work with the russin 7N1 and 7N14 load .... so i can get the best of this cal. and thats what the SVD use...

:roll: and if so tell me how much would a rifle like that would cost , i like blot-action , more prone and all you need is one shot ( well for me more than one shot :) ...
 

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Unfortunately, I think its more hassle then its worth. The case head diameter is weird which can be an extraction problem, and the rimmed cases will not function correctly in a remington magazine as far as I know.

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mele said:
Unfortunately, I think its more hassle then its worth. The case head diameter is weird which can be an extraction problem, and the rimmed cases will not function correctly in a remington magazine as far as I know.

MEL
:cry: i thought the same thing .... the head of the round wouldn't fit like i thought we are talking about diffrent rounds ( nato and 54R ) , and i might be wrong but cos the 54R is longer might make some feeding jams alot unless you use long-action like the M24 SWS it wouldn't work well ...

:roll: i think i might look into russin made SWS in 54R , there is not alot of them , not like the 7.62 nato round which i might say the most used round after the 7.62/39 AK round ( well its the AK-47 we are talking about here , has more fam than the wars it was fought with ) and you can get the 7.62/51 in diffrent loads ...

i only know like 2-3 ( and hard to get ) rounds that can be used with the SVD as a sniper grad round....

BTW- sharp shooter weapon ??

is it ?



these pic i got from military photos form!!!! they are saying these rifles are sniper rifles!!!!

:D :?: i think its just a scaled down SVD to take the ak round , what do you think????
 

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It may be a DMR rifle, or even an Urban sniper rifle. But a sniper rifle designed to hit targets 500 meters and over? Nah. Not with the 7.62x39 round.
 

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If you want a sniper grade 7.62x54R look around and buy a mosin nagant that the finnish worked over. The story, if I can remember this right, is during the Finnish/Russian war and wwII fineland capturd many Russian Rifles. They then rebarrelled them and worked them over for accuracy. I am told they are very accurate, some even shooting MOA or better. I cant remember the name of them, but Tikka did the work, so go to guns america and type in Tikka, you should get a couple of hits.
 

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Mel wrote:
the question comes with the rimmed case fitting/feeding in the remington bolts/extractors.
Quite right, Mel! Heh, that's what was pain in the ass for machinegun designers in our country - imagine belt-feeding with rimmed case. The so-called "deflector" in Mosin feeding mechanism arose because of feeding problems, too. I just wonder what a great deal of trouble that rim caused to Dragunov, in his memories he recalls feeding problems as curse of SVD prototypes.

BTW, i wonder where the heck Flanker would get 7N1 splitcores and 7N14 AP's :? when in the army, it felt like birthday if I managed to lay my hands on couple of packs. No need to sort 100+ machinegun rounds to feed on single SVU mag :wink: OK, machinegunner should be sniper's friend anyway, right? :lol:
 
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