600y is about how far my varminter will go with the 69 gr BTHP... 100-200y its gonna be just as accurate as anything else
after 400y my groups open up noticably which is what is expected of a .223
still as far as hitting a 12x12 plate consistantly its gonna be dififcult to put a .223 on target byond 600m
Its been 25 years since I shot the big range on Okinawa, as part of the 3/9 STA. Back then I could ding em 10 out of 10 on the KD steel plate range at 1,000 yards and between 8 or 9 out of ten on the unkown distance range - cold bore, no sighters. Today, I'm just getting back into the swing, and have not ventured beyond 600 yards. I can still get it done at the 600, and look forward to my testing my now not-so-rusty-skills at the 1,000 again next summer when I go to the Tac Pro shooting Center for the 1,000 yard qualifers.
was thinking what kind of groups i should expect with a Remington 700P in .308, came to an idea of what range i can expect for out of the box accuracy but havnt the slightest clue what i could expect at 1000y or how hard it is to shoot this distance
should i expect to hold about 1.5-2 moa (15-20" groups @ 1000y) with quality match ammo? better? worse? never shot a Remington 700P at this range so i dont really know what i should expect
probably wont attempt more than 200y till i farmiliarize myself with the rifle, then ill take it out to 300,400,500,600 etc work my way upto 1000 provided my rifle is shooting these longer ranges well
still plan on most of my shooting being about 300-600y ranges... that and to have a nice hunting rifle is the reason i got this rifle, id like to try 1000y too if the rifle and shooter can hanlde it
ranges here in Ct go upto 200y but i have a friend with a large field... probably over 2000y so we can shoot as far as we want
Id check to see whats beyond the field though, if it has a hill that would be great because some of those high powered rounds can stay active for like 2miles i know a high powered .22 stays active for 1 1/4 miles.
There was a guy in the town i used to live in that got hit by a guy who was shooting in his back yard with a 30-06 without haveing a backing of some sort and the guy sued for a ton. the moral of the story check what your shooting at or all youl have left is your rifles : P
heh yea you do have to be careful of that
*yawns* its 1m here i better go
me and my girlfriend are going to the indoor range early tommarrow
after that i bring home my Remington 700P even though i cant shoot it for anotehr week heh
I think you can look at some of the 1,000 yard reported scores as a guide of what you might be able to do at that range. People winning 1,000 yard competitions are sometimes not able to hold all their shots into a 2 MOA circle. Its not that the equipment cannot do it, it clearly can. Its the wind and the human element. If you 've never shot that distance before, there is a different feeling being back there (a human is difficult to even see with the naked eye from 1,000 yards) and a puff of wind that you missed means you might not hit paper. Whatever the wind effects are at 600 yards, they seem to be doubled at 1,000. The pressure to perform is incredibly high when you trudge that far from your target. That's why I love mostly being able to do it!!!
The wind is also why I got a 6.5x284 for use on the 1,000 yard line. That bullet is traveling the distance .2 seconds faster than the .308, and significantly flatter. Faster and less time in the air means far less wind to worry about. That is why some use the 300 WM and 300 RUM for 1,000 yard work fster, flatter, less wind.
For example, you are using your 175 Federal GMM, and sitting on the line and call the wind as 5-10 mph full value (your 9 O'Clock) - so you dial 7 mph wind into your scope and roll into position. Oops you missed the wind increase, and when you pull the trigger its actually blowing 12mph - end result of that shot is the bullet being pushed 22.3 inches off you sight mark by 5 mph of wind that you didn't realize was there. IF I'm shooting my 6.5x284, the bullet is pushed only 14.5 inches by the same gust.
well i know how my rifle does at 100 and 200y i actually did get some range time in today with all my guns
berak in for the Remington 700P didnt take that long with Federal Gold Medal 168 gr BTHP (i ordered some more)
most of the shots i took except for 1 were within about a 2 1/2"hole (for break in at 200y)
after that i started taking 3 shot groups @ 100y
my first (still with Federal GM 168 gr BTHP) was 3 shots through the same hole and thats where it stayed, im pleased to say my largest group was .8 moa and it was my fault for slipping a lil, other than that everything else stayed below .5 moa, my first time shooting my groups are always larger so i saved some 168 gr BTHP to compare with 175 and 155 grain and black hills match
i know what im gonna be getting into if i ever try 1000y but after trying this gun im confident and will be taking the gun to 300-600y next week hopefully
well i once shot 500 roudns for a day, every day for 14 days, gotta love the .22 LR conversion unit for the AR
now i 'only' shoot 3x a week, when i do shoot my M4 (about 1/2 the time) i still use 250-350 rounds of .22 LR ammo and clean the rifle out with .223s as often as i can... gets all that junk out of the muzzle brake
the other guns i use a lot too, onc a week if possible
with iron sights and the M4 i can hold a 3/4 moa gropu in the prone position all day (iron sights), prone or bench w/ out bi-pod and with scope, i can hold 1/2 moa groups or often a lil better, varminter and rem 700, with bi-pod i can shoot better than that
When you stretch out to the 1000yd range even the bi-pod isnt that great, a good rest is the only way to go. I think most people really dont realize the work it takes to shoot 1000yds sucessfully. As was mentioned before the wind is a real booger, but there is countless other things that must be in order. For one if you work up that special load that yields the elusive one hole groups at 100 yards and then move out to 1000yds you will find that special load dont work so well. I have been into benchrest shooting competitively for about 15yrs and have shot a fair number of 1000yd matches, and still to this day I may use upto 10 different loads through the course of a match. This is because of ever changing conditions such as temp, humidity, wind etc all of these will have a great impact at range. Another note is, and I have no explanation as to why, but I have experienced it, You may have a custom rifle shooting well under 1/2 MOA at 100 yds, this same rifle when shot at 600yds may not shoot at all, on the other hand I have a custom Panda that does not group at all at 100yds, usually 3/4 MOA at best, but at 600yds it has won many a match. 1000 yard shooting is an absolute rush, everyone should give it a go, but keep in mind the difficulty involved and dont be discouraged, if it was as easy as some claim there would be more doing it and matches would be awful tough to get shot out.
what groups do you get prone? standing?
i know some people who can hit the target every time but cant group the broad side of a barn
remember that prone shooting and standing shootng are not the same so if you are getting say 3" groups @ 100y in the standing position your doing pritty good
benchrest usually the standard is 1-2 moa (scoped) and id have to say probably 2-4 moa w/ open sights.. im getting this figure from looking at the average shooters i see at the range
of course there are some better and some worse
what rifle are you using?
and 100mm is under 4" @ 100m, thats normal for most people around here get about 4" @ 100y with AR-15s (mostly) and any other rifles thathave iron sights on them
they have shot more than 400 rounds the way they go bang bang bang heh
With my M-1 Garand, I like to keep the point of impact a tad higher than point of aim so when the target gets smaller than my post, I just use a six o'clock hold. (keep the post just touching the bottom of the target) That way I can tell if its aligned properly. Just to let everyone know, my offhand sucks Minute of whitetail only...5 inch 5 shot groups at 100 meters. When I have my sling support and sitting or prone though, 2 inch groups with that old warhorse.
thats pritty good considering the M1 Garand was the first semi-auto battle rifle and the one your using im guessing is ANCIENT
when was yours made?
did it fight in WWII?? heh
if so 2 moa after 60 years is good