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LOL, ok. so. sadly, yes.. this is yet another "I can't make up my mind!!! plz help???" thread.

I'm wondering about the SWFA 3-15x42. It seems like a fine option. Really fine. I say this, because I've been looking as far up the ladder as USO ST-10 and at IORs and the occasional Leupold.

I've seriously considered about $1300 for glass, and that being about half the cost of the actual FNH A3G rifle, it seems reasonable.

However. The SS 3-15x42 has really thrown my value-shopping bone into high gear. This thing is $700, and the reviews on clarity and repeatability can't be more positive. To boot... I've owned a 3-9x42 Gen II in the past and the fixed 6x Gen I. Both scopes never budged or gave me the least concern. I took care of them... but the occasional knock never worried me or shifted the POI. Some say these scopes are very rugged.. and indeed the build seems quite durable.

The highest priority now is drop-kick ruggedness... and the scope seems to have that. Granted... the USO would eliminate ALL concern. (videos of people throwing them, eh?) But the flexibility and range of the SWFA makes a strong argument. (I wish someone was out there throwing these babies, it'd be a cheaper test for sure)

So basically... what I need is for all of you to assuage my insecurities and tell me it's not insane to put a $700 scope on a $2600 rifle. Okay? That's pretty much it.

You convince me of the SWFA.. I get a Scope, Glock and 1000 rounds for my Sig. You convince me of the USO/IOR... I get a scope and call it a day.

Thank you. Flame on.
 

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Personally I would get a used Bushnell HDMR with a G2 reticle and call it a day and still be able to get the Glock and some ammo. You get good glass(not s&b quality) and the features of a $3k scope.
 

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Personally I would get a used Bushnell HDMR with a G2 reticle and call it a day and still be able to get the Glock and some ammo. You get good glass(not s&b quality) and the features of a $3k scope.
Very interesting.. do you know where I can find info on its durability?
 

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Check out the Steiner Military 3-12x50 on EuroOptics. That's a $2100 scope on clearance for $1100.
Whew thats a good deal. I hope my ship comes in before these babies run out.

Eyeing the 34mm tube bushnells also.
 

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Also, I'm giving the Bushnell 6500 Elite 2.5-16x42 a look. Why? Good question.

A lot of people will be repelled by the lack of a FFP reticle and shorter capped knobs. The reticle is simply mil dot or duplex and no illumination.

But what I'm seeing is a variable-value and always readable reticle (I can convert the "mil" dot to subtend 5 to 35 moa (approx.)... A very streamlined (not grotesquely knobby) profile with rugged caps instead of exposed dials.... So no mechanical link to the scope internals in the event of an extreme impact.... AND Kenton industries throws in a specified BDC knob for no extra charge. I'd buy the windage knob also. The scope design is impact tested, the length is less than 14", and I get a low end fov greater than 40' at 100yards.

also.. A mil dot is simply functional.. And illumination? I hunt until sun-crash and on my old Bushnell Trophy scopes, such a feature has never been useful.

Thoughts?
 

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The bushnell 6500 series is NOT where you want to look if you are talking about value. It is one of the most returned scopes there is. I've had some very candid talks with some of the largest optics dealers in the world. During those talks I learned a few fun facts like that.

Your views in that post on mil reticles and scopes in general don't really withstand real world application.
 

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I've owned 2 SWFA 10X $300 scopes, sent back 2 and looked through another. The clarity is fairly good. Some are better then others. I wouldn't order through them again unless I had too. I've never looked through the 3x15 but they aren't high definition scopes so I wouldn't expect them to be much better then the fixed power optics. I would look for something else myself.
 

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Yeah it's always nice to hear a little moderation on the SWFA scopes. Just a little dose of sanity. I made the mistake of going to opticstalk and of course the best choice for ANY price bracket HAS to be the supersnipers. Oh well. They are pretty good. I don't find them remarkable generally, but they have been reliable for me.

It all depends on money right now. If i'm able, i'm going for either the Bushnell HDMR or an IOR, most likely the Spartan. If you're familiar with the Spartan you'll find it an unconventional choice for many reasons, but I'm actually planning on giving it a writeup and my reasoning at a future date. The bushnell is a solid offering at the $1500 mark.

Now, for $1000 it's a mystery as yet. The scopes get bigger relative to capability. I like the HDMR and the Spartan for being quite short relative to capability. But thats $1500

$700 is my baseline... And thats my backup. The SS 3-15.
 

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I have had two of the side focus 10X SS scopes, and for the $ have been very happy with them. Running one for there 10X side focus Mil-Quad scopes on my SPR right now and really like it. But I have not had any of there variable power scopes. I would like nothing better than to have a nightforce Zero stop scope my self. But out of my price range for a while.

One thing I will say is do not believe the reviews on there web sight. There is a reason they are all five star reviews. If you give them anything but five stars in your review they simply do not post it.
 

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I regard the ruggedness and repeatability of the SS fairly highly. Its the only scope i've owned to never jump settings between car rides or drops. That's the main strength in my book. I owned the variable 3-9, but it did tunnel. So your FOV actually shrank after 4 or 4.5 power. To me, if you're going variable then FOV is the whole point.
 

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FWIW I've made up my mind for when the $ comes in. I'm going with the BURRIS XTR II SCR (when it comes out) in 3-15x50. These scopes share a lot with Steiner scopes.. and if anyone had insight on a business relationship going on there with Burris and Steiner that could be of general interest. The SCR reticle scopes are not out yet.. but once they are that's what I'm getting. Looks like a winner all-around.

Looking closer at the Burris line.. I may be interested in their E1 scopes for my "non-wwIII" hunting rifles. Good reticles, excellent warranty. Generally good zero-hold reputation across the brand.

The XTR II series offers the best promise for combined ruggedness, repeatability and feature set at the $1000 bracket, IMHO. Good reviews of the optical quality are circulating also.
 
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