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I have a question for you folks. Recently one of my friends was given a pistol by his father, this would not be that out of the ordinary except that the pistol is composed of Kevlar. All except for the Barrel and part of the magizine anyway. I was just wondering if any of you had experience with this or not. The reason that I thought I would ask is that from what I heard they U.S. Military was selling/giving (I'm not sure) out to people they were sending over into Iraq. Granted his father is a retired Colonel and is a bigwig consultant, so what sort of special privilages he has I don't know. Alrighty, well thank you for any help and or information you might be able to give.

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I dont know about kevlar, I know that alot of pistols are being made of new polycarbonate stuff and polymers.

So its not out of the ordinary.
 

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what for? i mean, is kevlar good for anything other than stopping bullets? and even so, its basicaly just on the handle...which your hand would be one so it kind of defeats that purpose
 

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Well, kevlar is kind of like nylon, people tend to think that it is only made to be woven into a fabric. The thing is that when you take that substance and make it a solid, it's very strong. Climbers use solid nylon in pulleys to make them amazingly strong, and reduce friction and rope shed.

It's not just the grip, it's the slide and literally everything but the barrel and part of magizine.

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I suppose it must be incredibly light, then?

Do you know who the manufacturer is?

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I would say that it was fairly light, about the same as a Glock 17. I will try to find out who did manufacture it tomorrow. I guess the coolest thing that I found about it was that if you take the barrel and magizine out, it goes through a metal detector.
 

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It would still be picked up by an X-ray scanner at an airport, by its distinctive shape.

Got a digi-camera to upload a few pics?
 

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Remember how much the Glock got slammed for that when it came out? People didn't realize even if you strip off all the metal you still have the shillouette of the pistol when it is scanned
 

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It would still be picked up by an X-ray scanner at an airport, by its distinctive shape.
1) Carry the pistol on you and there ain't no X-rays...

2) You could hide the barrel in your carry-on and the odds are they wouldn't catch you. There have been a number of news reports where those dolts who run the security stations miss things like knives, pepperspray, airsoft guns, etc. A friend got through twice with her little pocket knife that she stuck in her packpack.

The problem would be hiding the barrel, the magazine, and the ammunition... but it's not impossible by any means.

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Scatch: There have been a number of news reports where those dolts who run the security stations miss things like knives, pepperspray, airsoft guns, etc. A friend got through twice with her little pocket knife that she stuck in her packpack.
^ That is exactly right. I myself forgot that I was carrying my leatherman w/ me in my backpack. But they let me right on board. I didn't realize it till I had the day after I had gotten of the plane. :?
 

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I only give airport security 10% of the blame. Their situation is indicative of the way we treat most of the people who keep us safe.

Here is our current system:
1. Pay them poorly
2. Under fund their operation
3. Ignore them most of the time.
4. Complain when things go wrong.

There is a 95% turn over rate for airport security because it is a horrible job.
This is only made worse now, with everyone on terror alert. These are still the same unskilled laborers you find working at minimum wage jobs.

We could have drastically improved security, but we wouldn't want to pay double our airfare for trained security specialists to stand behind those metal detectors.

Also, if you want to do someone harm, you'll find a way to do it.
You can punch a drinking straw through someones neck if you really have a mind to do it.

-snowy
 

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If madgunsmith reads this thread, what did you think of British airport security compared to American airport security?
 

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If madgunsmith reads this thread, what did you think of British airport security compared to American airport security?
Here comes the Blue Hats!!!
 

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Snowy I agree with you. I wasn't blaming the people exactly. My point is the system is broken and nobody is doing a thing to fix it. If September 11th didn't teach us anything, then I don't know what will........

I could get up on my soapbox for an hour and go on about how $ is being wasted on stupid things, and how that nowadays we worry to much about the 'little things' but I know I would just be preaching to the choir.

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anyways, this was about a kevlar pistol, sry if I took it farther off topic......
 

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no problem

I'm still working on getting those picutres, I have been kept busy with my job. Just wanted to post and tell yall's that I'm still workin on it and will get that information as soon as I can.

And your ideas about the smuggling things aren't that far off. There are also rifles, and shotguns made out of the same stuff by the same company, and I know a guy who went through airport security wearing two pistols and a shotgun. Not my friend, and quite stupid, but I guess it's fairly impressive stuff.
 

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Yimmy: when i flew to london in '03, we were stopped at the LAX terminal because we had a bottle of maple syrup (they do baggage checks here). on the way home... we had NO problems getting through security (i had an airsoft pistol in there too) so id think that British security has room for improvement... they wanded my dad at Stansted... dunno...

as for kevlar... kevlar in its hardened state is used to protect the inside of the new M109A6 Paladins protects the crew from small arms fire and 155 airburst... strong stuff...
 

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The most obvious case of Kevlar being used is for helmets.

Was this a plastic airsoft gun or hard metal/ceramic?
 

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British security vs. US security.

Yimmy:

At Manchester Airport, the guy actually patted me down. I've never seen that before at an airport. They usually have hand held metal detectors. And getting touched like that by another guy bugs me. I mean if another guy has his hands in my crotch, he'd better be a urologist.

And airport security in the US is equally annoying.
While English security folks want to search my crotch, their US counterparts all seem to have a foot fetish. They always want to search my shoes. So I always wear really dirty socks while flying. I wear the same socks for four or five days in order to make the security guy suffer. Serves him right!!

Another thing that I don't like is the way that the security guys disrespect my property. One of them threw my expensive pen into a plastic box. And I asked to see the guys supervisor over that one. (It was a Mont Blanc 142 SP and one of these costs as much as a new rifle)

Anyway from now on, I'm staying in North America and I'm driving everywhere.

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Yeah thats what I was curious about, whether you were patted down or not - when I boarded a plane last September I was, while I couldn't remember it happening when I was younger - but last September was a military flight, and so I wasn't sure of civillian staff were doing the same.
 
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