[jim]

Hello I have a question about the Accuracy International L96A1.

As I know the original name given by the manufacturer company was "Model PM Sniper".When it was taken to service by the British armed forces it was named L96A1.

My qeustion is that I have seen it many times not as L96A1 but as AWP or as AWM.I am wondering where did this name came from and for this I ask the best.

Thaks...xxx[/img]

 

[mele]

The L96A1 designation is specific to the UK military. It depends on how that country names its weapons. Much like the C7 is the name for the M16 in Canada. So, when the UK adopted the AI Arctic Warfare (AW) it adopted its own nomenclature and called it the L96 and then soon after the L96A1 when some changes where made.

MEL

 

[supermagnum]

yeah the L69A1 is basically the AI Artic Warfare (AW) nice gun going to buy one as soon as im 18.

 

[CM2k]

Much like the C7 is the name for the M16 in Canada.

(M16A2. We went for FALs post WW2. I'm done being crotchety now)

 

[Kaz]

I'm done being crotchety now

Think you can teach my dad to do that? Hey supermagnum, what caliber so you want to get it in? They have several don't they? .308, .300, .338, and 7mm Rem Magnum isn't it?

 

[AK]

FN-FAL = C1, C1A1. Actually, the FAL was a British L1A1 SLR that the Canadians adopted, and we had an automatic rifle version called a C2. This C2 was a heavy-barreled C1A1 with automatic fire, a thirty round magazine, and a bipod.

M-16A2 = A C-7, C-7A1, C-7A2. These rifles are basically M-16A2s with flattop recievers allowing for the attachment of the Canadian Forces C-79 "ELCAN" battleoptic and retain a full-automatic feature.

M-4A1 = A C-8, C-8A1. These are basically M-4A1s, prettymuch unchanged excepting markings on the reciever.

Of them all, I'd have to say I actually preferred the C1 and C1A1 battle rifles, much as many Americans prefer the M-14 over the M-16 series. Predominantly, because when you shot some uppity Serbian with a C1A1, he went down and stayed down. 'Course, no C1s ever saw service in the Balkans.

AWP = Artic Warfare Precision, last I heard. AWM is "Artic Warfare Magnum." The L-96A1 series are reputedly good sniper rifles. The Swedes call 'em PSG-90s.

 

[muzzleblast]

C1 did pretty good in Cyprus according to a man I know who was in the PPCLI and then Airborne Regiment.

Interesting story about the C7A2 from my best bud today. He was zeroing his on the range, and the first round misfired. He charged it again, hit the foreward assist, pulled the trigger, and "click" again. Next try, when he hit the foreward assist..."Bang!"

Firing pin was stuck in the foreward position, I suppose

 

[AK]

The C-7A2 is that fookin' midlife upgrade to the C-7A1 range of rifles.

For those who don't know, imagine a bastard M-16A2 who's mother was an M-4A1. They've put a telescoping stock onto the C-7A1, made all the plastic furniture green, and updated the C-79A1 optic to C-79A2, which reportedly holds its zero after firing now. :roll:

C1 did pretty good in Cyprus according to a man I know who was in the PPCLI and then Airborne Regiment.

Yeah, good times those. Then the ABN guys beat up a Somali and they were disbanded. *Notices the opportunity for a rant, decides there isn't enough justification for it now or here, stops*
- I'm surprised the C1 and C2 series weren't too large to jump in with, they were pretty large, heavy rifles.

 

[muzzleblast]

Heh heh heh...we Canuck-jacked another thread.

Dead on right about the optics, I heard they blow. Apparently the C7A2 is being pretty well received right now, a popular weapon.

As for the Airborne, gotta love a good Governmental cover-up, eh? Two guys do something bad and thats it for the whole regiment. That guy told me a lot of officers sent their troublemakers to the Abn. just to be rid of them.

Hey, they managed to jump in the States with M1s and M14s

 

[AK]

As for the Airborne, gotta love a good Governmental cover-up, eh? Two guys do something bad and thats it for the whole regiment. That guy told me a lot of officers sent their troublemakers to the Abn. just to be rid of them.

They sent:
1) The Best the Canadian Forces had to offer.
2) The Worst the Canadian Forces had to offer.

So two of the latter group beat some Somali kid creeping around in their quarters to death, and the Govn't axes the entire Regiment. There goes our ABN capability, so now we can perform limited air-assault operations with our light infantry, and we very limited ability to conduct mechanized infantry operations, and every Regiment only has one "Jump Company" which I think is always 4 Coy or "D-Company."

Dead on right about the optics, I heard they blow. Apparently the C7A2 is being pretty well received right now, a popular weapon.

Everyone I've talked to hates the C-79A1 optical sight as much as they hate their mother in law. Damn near everyone I talked to prefered the issue "rear sight" to the 3.9x magnification of the C-79A1.

The C-7A2, I've never seen one in-person (Hope to at some point) and I don't have the slightest to how they handle, but it's good to know they're being recieved well. I assume the same can be said for the C-79A2 "ELCAN" or just the rifle it's attached to?

Hey, they managed to jump in the States with M1s and M14s

M-1 doesn't have a giant 20 round box mag sticking out, and it only just occured to me that you wouldn't jump out the back of an airplane with a loaded rifle, so that 20 round box mag is in the assault rig, not the rifle.

Again, Logic Optional.

 

[muzzleblast]

From what I gather, if you are Mechanized the C-79A1 stops being your friend. It gets jostled and there goes your zero, was a little vulnerable to dirt and grime. This is only the experience of one dude, but he said he liked his mostly for night use, since not much light gets through the aperture of the irons. Daytime use was irons. C-79A2 "ELCAN" is supposed to be lots better, just like ya said. Its seeing a lot of use by other international forces too. The heavy weapons and night vision variants are supposed to be rock steady.

Yup, the thing I always wondered about is that Matchee was a skinhead who shouldn't have ever been allowed into the military. But his buddy, Brown, was a Native! WTF? Seems to me that a lot of trouble the Abn had was from Quebec soldiers in leadership positions encouraging misbehavior, etc. Yep, you're right about the 1 company, theres only 3 "Para companies" in the active CF now. Still, the Airborne vets are the backbone of basic training, battle school, and our active duty combat arms. They don't get much credit, but they're still around. The French units are particularly tough.

I think the problem with that particular C7 was frozen CLP gumming up the works. Supposed to be easier to handle in close confines and very accurate

 

[AK]

Yeah, the C-7A1 is a bit more reliable than an M-16A2 in my experiances, even when dirty, which makes no sense whatsoever because they're so similar, but they can screw up on you real easy.

#1 reason I prefer Kalashnikovs: I can **** up, drop it, bleed on it, and it'll still shoot.

The heavy weapons and night vision variants are supposed to be rock steady.

Good thing. The C-6 can mount to a Sustained Fire tripod and then you hook a C-2 optical sight to it. That gives us an extra kilometre of range. What I never understood was mounting an ELCAN to a C-9A1, or possibly a C-6, because they'll beat up on it and bing, there goes the zero. But good to know that they're now rock-steady when attached to these heavier weapons.

 

[muzzleblast]

I guess its a lot...beefier...the one that goes on the heavy weapons, never seen one myself.

What exactly did we DO to the C7 to make it more reliable? I heard its been "Winterized" but I have no idea what that means. The guys I know never fired or operated with an M16A2, so they don't know either besides the fact it has full auto.

A few guys in Somalia opted to go with the Kalash I think, I remember seeing pictures of them holding AK-47s. If it wasn't for the friendly fire I would suggest Canada rearm with Russian equipment, hey its cheap!

Kidding.

Personally I would really love to examine and fire some of the high quality AK based rifles out there, like the Sako that Finland uses right now or the Polish Beryl/Tantal series.

 

[AK]

Sako doesn't make the RK-series of assault rifle for the Finnish Defence Forces. I can't tell you who it is, but I'm pretty damn sure it isn't Sako. I could be wrong. (Probably am.)

I'll tell you my story about the M-16A2 and the C-7A1.

M-16A2 had recently been cleaned. It jammed on the third round, semiautomatic.

The C-7A1 had just been fired for two magazines. It didn't jam on my ten rounds.

My next-door-neighbour back in Calgary was Polish and he served with their Armed Forces for a few years. The Beryl/Tantal series of Kalashnikov-esque weaponry he was really happy with in comparison to the "stock" Kalashnikov. Pretty good with languages too: English, French, German, Russian, plus his native Polish.

What exactly did we DO to the C7 to make it more reliable? I heard its been "Winterized" but I have no idea what that means.

Hey, I'd like to know too. Apparently winterization means that we expanded the tolerances on it somehow so that the gummier lubricant (Because cold freezes things... so I've been told) doesn't stop it up. It'd be nice to talk to a CF Armourer.

 

[muzzleblast]

If it helps any heres the weapon I was talking about. Dunno about the older Valmets but Sako makes this one. http://www.nasog.net/datasheets/firearm ... ko_m90.htm


http://www.securityarms.com/20010315/ga ... 0/2080.htm

Bout the nicest lookin AK I ever saw

 

[AK]

Ah! The RK-95! Yeah, Sako makes that rifle. The RK-62 is made by someone else though.

 

[supermagnum]

I'm done being crotchety now

Think you can teach my dad to do that? Hey supermagnum, what caliber so you want to get it in? They have several don't they? .308, .300, .338, and 7mm Rem Magnum isn't it?

the l96a1 can't shoot the .388 laupra but the supermagnum can. i would get it in .308

 

[mele]

I'll tell you my story about the M-16A2 and the C-7A1.

M-16A2 had recently been cleaned. It jammed on the third round, semiautomatic.

The C-7A1 had just been fired for two magazines. It didn't jam on my ten rounds.

Hum, well, not exactly a large sample pool to base your conclusions off of :wink:

MEL

 

[AK]

This is true. I like the M-16A2 and C-7A1 personally, fine rifles. For the record, as well, I have never experianced a stoppage with either rifle, excepting the M-16A2, and excepting that one time on the range.

And if there was a decent range in this sh*thole, I'd try it again and again.

 

[Ballistic_Coefficiency]

the l96a1 can't shoot the .388 laupra but the supermagnum can. i would get it in .308

The L96A1 British Intermediate Range Sniper Weapon (BIRSW) is chambered for the 7.62x51mm NATO (.308 Winchester).... 7mm Remington Magnum.... .300 Winchester Magnum... and of coarse the .338 Lapua (8.60x70mm).

Heres a history lesson... In early 1980's the British Army started the search for the replacement of the aging L42 Enfield sniper rifles. Main compettitors were british companies Parker-Hale with their model 85 bolt action rifle, and Accuracy International, with their PM rifle. Eventually, PM rifle won the competition and was accepted by British Army under the designation of L96
One of the most notorious features of the PM rifle was design of the stock. Instead of the solid polymer or wooden stock, PM/L96 used hollow polymer stock, made from two halves and assembled around aluminium bedding block, that extends to whole stock lenght. L96 also was equipped with backup iron sights.
In mid-1980s Sweden forces began their own quest for the new sniper rifle, that could survive heavy nordic environments. The AI again become the winner in this race with improved L96 design, named "Arctic warfare". In 1988 Swedish forces adopt AW rifle in 7.62mm NATO chambering under the designation of PSG.90. British Army, in its turn, also adopted this improved design under the designation of L96A1, as well as many other militaries and Law Enforcement agencies around the world. In 1998, the Bundeswehr (Germany Army) also adopted the AW Super Magnum rifle chambered in .300 Winchester magnum (germany designation 7.62x67mm) as Scharfschutzengewehre (sniper rifle - german) G22.

Built by Accuracy International of Portsmuth, England, this line of rifles is among the best in the World of sniper rifles today. This rifle can shot less than 2" (51mm) groups at the distances of 600 yards (550m), using boat-tail match ammunition. Arctic Warfare is a line of 5 rifles. Original Arctc Warfare was designed for the British military. It gained its designation by special anti-icing features, allowing sniping operations to be carried out under Arctic conditions as low as -40C (-104F)! Other models are Police (AWP), Suppressed (AWS), Folding (AWF) and Super Magnum (AW SM). Three first rifles designed for 7.62mm NATO ammunition, while Super Magnum can be chambered in .338 Lapua Magnum, .300 Winchester Magnum and 7mm Remington Magnum. AW has a 26" (660mm) barrel, AWP has 24" (609mm). AW SM barrels available in lentths from 24" (609mm) to 27" (686mm). The standart scopes supplied by Accuracy International are Smidt&Bender 3-12X variable or the Leupold Mark 4 fixed 10X scope. If i have made any mistakes in spelling or statistics or whatever let me know...