[Jeff_850]

i was wondering if any of you had any thoughts on McMillian rifles

thier MCR/MCRT looks nice, wondering how it does compared to other rifles in its price range (in particular Tac Ops) though both are more money tham im willing to pay for a rifle right now

http://www.mcbrosrifles.com/tactical.htm

 

[Kamatz]

There's a somewhat unconfirmed rumor that some of our SFs use a .50BMG in Afghanistan.

What I do know, is that I would love to own a MCRT!

 

[Jeffvn]

I thought I read somewhere that teh 4,300 yard shot made by the Canadian sniper team in Afganastan was done with a McMillan .50 BMG.

 

[mele]

Whoops, the shot was amazing, but only about 2655 yards (2430 meters), not 4300. And yes, they used a McMillan Tac-50 in .50 BMG

MEL

 

[FLEA]

There's a somewhat unconfirmed rumor that some of our SFs use a .50BMG in Afghanistan.

We have always used a McMillan m87 in our military units. Its just not used as much as the Barrett. The McMillan has a bit better accuracy being a bolt rifle and all.

 

[badshot]

For those of you like myself that have no concept of how far 2655 yards is. It is right at a mile and a half. That is an amazing shot. What was the target? How long did it take for the bullet to get there? Did the sound of the shot travel that far?

I calculated how long it would take my RUM to travel a mile and it was right at 2.5 seconds. This is half again farther than that. WOW.

 

[Kamatz]

I'm sure you do...but I'm from Norway...our SFs use other toys than US SFs :wink:

Our conventional forces us a slightly modified M82..but the SFs always buy what suit their needs. The M82 doesn't.

 

[Jeffvn]

The Canadian team shot a person - breaking the record previously held by Carlos Hathcock, USMC, of just over 1,500 yards from 1966 (or something like that). Interestingly enough, Carlos used a .50 Cal machine gun in single shot mode for his shot.

I don't know the specifics fo the Afgan shot, but Carlos nailed his guy with a single shot from the .50 while the guy was riding his bike away from Carlos down a road.

Yes the sound of a .50 cal travels that far, just not as fast as the bullet.

I'm sure the bad guys heard more than one report, as the echo must have been reverberating through that valley for a while after the shot.

 

[badshot]

Jeff,

In the book about Carlos how far was the shot he made with the 50 cal on the woman supplying arms and he had to go thru a bail of hay or something? I was thinking it was right at a mile also. I could be wrong.

 

[Jeffvn]

If memory serves, I think it was just above 1,500 yards.

 

[Jeff_850]

thought Carlos Hathcock's record shot was 2500y, just short of 1 1/2 miles, the canadians just over 1 1/2 miles

 

[Madison]

I saw a barrett m107 ( http://www.barrettrifles.com/military/m107.htm ) Humveee mounted in afanistan. I thought it was pretty cool.

 

[APK]

Just wanted to post my personal little thought for Hathcock here. Making such shots with the equipment he had, amazing to say the least!

I also thought Hathcock's shot was closer to 2500y. Anyone know for sure beyond doubt??

 

[Kamatz]

I thought it was close to 2500 yards, too....but as far as I remember - he fired two rounds. First one missed, second one was corrected and hit. Still quite amazing at that range with a M2....

 

[Jeffvn]

I have the book, will look it up and report back.

JEffVN

 

[CM2k]

You guys are all forgetting something that was pointed out once; According to a Jane's interview, they were aiming for the engine block of a vehicle, and not the people inside.

 

[Yimmy]

Yimmy

Why was he using the M2 on single shot anyway?
Wouldn't just using it as a MG (What it is after all), make more sense?

 

[mele]

The M2 had his scope mounted on it, and delivering long range fire. Firing it in rapid fire strings causes everything to move around too much. Doesn't quite work as well.

According to the book (to be taken with some grain of salt, as the publishers condenced the transcript from 700+ pages to about 200, and changed some things for readability). The M2 shot was 2500 yards, as the kid happen to move right in front of his zero target at that range. His shot through the hay at the woman was I believe 1200 yards (amazing with a .30-06)

MEL

 

[Jeff_850]

at 2500y if he was off by say 10 yards how much would the bullet impact be differnt?
while the bullet is in flight (probably for several seconds at this point) what would happen if hte iwnd shifted say 1 mph would cause a miss woudln it? even if he calculated it perfectly???

did he make is own handloads? use match ammo? use standard .50 cal ball ammo which i hear a lot of 'it isnt too accurate'

 

[mele]

He was using standard ball ammo, and many variables come into play. The first shot hit the frame of the bicycle, the 2nd shot hit home. If ranges estimation is off by 10 yards, it would not effect much of anything. The BC on the .50's are sky high and retain velocity and buck wind extermely well. But of course, the book does not mention how many engagements before this one that potentially he missed....

MEL