They don't, they're all damned for eternity.Recoil said:Why the connection between morality and religion? Do you think that athiests and agnostics have no morals?
Because people often cite "majority opinion" as an ought, and I just wanted to preface my post with, "I'm well aware that..."
I'm agnostic, but from that the moral system (if any) I subscribe to cannot be determined. That said, one principle of morality that I employ (and need to explain for this post) is that people ought not to be used for means to ends, but as ends themselves. So long as your actions abide by this, I do not believe they are wrong.Recoil said:Only the most hardened athiests believe that we have no purpose here. Is that what you're saying you are (which is okay, that's your right)?
1) You yourself said that you agree that it's important to remain alive for the benefit of family. 2) Why does one's life become worthless with the absence of family or other dependents? 3) If you're contemplating suicide, how do you know that you wont be the one to save someone tomorrow or even 4) meet the woman you will marry and have children with next week?
1) My life does not gain a value judgment merely because I have responsibilities of any sort (such as family); I merely have personal responsibilities to fulfill.
2) My life is not valueless if it is sans family, because it was not valuable if it has family. That's not to say it doesn't have value, or that I value my life more so if I have family, but the family itself does not add value intrinsically (but rather, extrinsically).
My life's value is determined by the amount of happiness it can obtain. Family adds happiness to my life, so family adds value to my life. If family goes away, I lose a lot of happiness (and perhaps form a deficit), but they are not the sole or necessary source of happiness.
3) I have no imperative to reserve myself for completely unpredictable circumstances of the future. If you have no knowledge--or any access to said knowledge--of your responsibilities, you are not responsible for them. I have no reason to believe I will need to save a life next week, and so if I'm not in the right place at the right time, will I be blamed for not saving that person's life? Of course not.
4) I have no responsibilities to the woman who 'would have been' my wife, and so I have no imperative to remain alive for her. Did I miss out? I probably did... but that isn't an immoral action because I did not use her as any sort of means, nor did I develop any responsibilities toward her.
If I value my level of happiness to be insufficient, and for whatever reason I know I will find nothing else to be fulfilling, and I have no responsibilities toward other people, then I see nothing wrong with ending my life.
Religion and faith are beautiful things, but because the purpose of faith is to surpass argumentation and the burdens of convincement, I don't think it needs to be discussed here (as we are looking for incongruencies within moral systems regarding suicide).