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I read the recent thread "Accurate rifles are worth it" and am wondering if I should do some more precision upgrades to my rifle to make it better or not.
Here's what I have:
Remington 700 SPS Tactical in .308, factory 20" 1/12 barrel
Jewell trigger set at about 1.5 pounds
XLR Industries Carbon chassis
Bedded steel one piece TPS scope base
Lapped TPS steel rings
Vortex Viper PST 6-24X50 FFP scope in MILS
Atlas bipod
Oversized bolt handle

I'm shooting handloads and have gotten the best accuracy with 168gr A-Max bullets, with Hornady brass, Federal match primers, and 44.0gr of Varget.

I get an average of maybe just a hair under 3/4 MOA when shooting at 100 yards. I have a range in my back yard that goes up to 250 yards, and I can keep that 3/4 MOA accuracy at that distance also. I've shot a little less than 500 rounds through this rifle, and have been meticulous about keeping track of all my data and shots taken in my Impact Data book, as well as kept all my targets with info recorded on them. I try to do a lot of dry fire with it, while inside, as well as on the range when I do the one dry fire, one live fire, repeat thing. It shoots better with a nicely fouled barrel, so I don't clean it often, but when I do, I carefully clean it with a bore guide.

I use to shoot from a bench in a seated position, with a rear sand sock and the front on a pack, but have recently been shooting prone with a little more consistent results. Sometimes I use my bipod, with a little bit of preload on it, and can keep "almost" the same accuracy with it, but am better on a pack or sandbag.

I try to work on my body position, my trigger press, breathing etc... All the stuff that I read about and watch people teaching about on YouTube. I'm sure some of you will say I need to take a precision rifle class. Well, I'd love to take a class, but due to an injury I have, I can't drive a vehicle, so getting to a class is extremely hard for me.

I feel I have a firm understanding of shooting fundamentals, as well as the reloading process. I've been reloading for about 5 years, I reload my handgun on my Dillon XL650, but do my precision rifle loading on a single stage. I used to hand trickle my loads up to weight but now use a Chargemaster 1500, and while I feel that it's not quite as accurate in weighing my charges since it is only accurate to 0.1gr, and my other scale is accurate to 0.05gr, I haven't really noticed a loss in accuracy with it. (I do love the increased speed in loading though)

This is the most accurate rifle I've ever shot, (and I don't think that's saying much...) and I've never had the opportunity to let someone who claims to be a much better shooter than me, shoot my rifle, although I'd love to have the chance to let someone try so if you're ever in the western Wisconsin area, let me know!

Now that I've explained a little about my experience, and my rifle... I feel I should be more accurate with it, than I am. I'm wondering if either:
A. I just need more shooting experience with it.
B. This is about as accurate as I can get with the upgrades I've done.

If I want to get more accuracy with it, do I need to take the next step and get a better barrel, receiver, or both...
Or should I be able to get more accuracy out of what I've done and just need more shooting experience?

Any advice?
 

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You need a new barrel and a trued up action. 1/2-3/4 moa is all those factory remmy's are usually capable of. If you're hunting for 1/4moa, you won't find it with a factory tube.

It doesn't take much experience to shoot little groups. It takes experience to get those little groups to land on the POA.
 

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So it sounds like I might be close to shooting as good as I can, with this rifle the way it sits then? That's what I was hoping to hear. I have noticed that I've gotten to be a better shooter in the past few years, and all my friends want me to personally sight in their rifles. I don't think I'm a "great" shot, but I do think I'm a "good" shot.... And I guess my friends do as well.

I'd like to become a great shot, and I feel that my rifle is not allowing me to get any better. I feel that a new barrel and action is the next step. Can anyone make any suggestions as to who I should call?
 

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It all depends on your goals, but I would learn the art of hitting your POA on your first shot at further ranges first. Is 1/4 MOA groups better than 3/4, sure. But 3/4 is still plenty accurate to hit what your aiming at.
 

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But 3/4 is still plenty accurate to hit what your aiming at.
Unless you're aiming at 1/2" dots at 100yds. This weekend, the guys with 1/4 moa rifles were sure having an easier time of it than the guys with 1/2 and 3/4 moa rifles. That all translates to distance as well. It's just hidden behind guys not having the confidence to call wind or other variables.
 

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And you must also consider the fact that a 3/4" rifle will usually not always hit a 3/4" circle. Factory rifles (including mine) will shoot a 3/4" group "all day long", but keeping that 3/4" group in a 3/4" circle every time at 100 yards is a different story.
 

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This rifle will never be a "sniper rifle" where I need first shot, cold bore hits every time. It's more of a learn positions, learn trigger control, learn breathing control, learn to shoot short range, learn to develop loads, learn how to read wind, learn how to judge distances, and also to shoot teeny tiny, one hole, 5 shot groups at 100 yards.

Maybe... learn a little on how to shoot medium range, and if I get the chance, start on shooting in the wind at longer distances.
But right now, it seems like I'm chasing multiple fliers or something but it could just be as accurate as the rifle will be.
 

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and also to shoot teeny tiny, one hole, 5 shot groups at 100 yards.
Forget about teeny tiny one hole 5 shot groups at 100yds with a factory remington barrel... unless it's a 5R. Some, and I say some of those can do 1/4-1/3 moa... but I've never seen a SPS do it. Not ever. The SPS's are basically 1/2-3/4 moa barreled actions. For $550-650... that's about all a guy can expect. Throw a new barrel on there, done by a competent smith, and you could very probably get down to the 1/4moa territory.
 

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The question is how accurate do you need to be. Hitting 1/2MOA dot at 100yd with a 3/4MOA rifle might lead you to pulling out your hair.
Have you plotted your groups from round to round to see where it opens up if there is a pattern to it? What type of shooting discipline are you wanting to shoot?
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The question is how accurate do you need to be. Hitting 1/2MOA dot at 100yd with a 3/4MOA rifle might lead you to pulling out your hair.
Have you plotted your groups from round to round to see where it opens up if there is a pattern to it? What type of shooting discipline are you wanting to shoot?
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Yes, I have plotted my groups but it seems to be all over the place. No pattern at all. Sometimes I'll get two shots in a row, in the same hole, then the next one is 1/2" away. Sometimes it's the first two shots, sometimes it's the middle shots, sometimes it's the last two shots. (Always groups of 5)
Like I said, I have a 250 yard range off my deck and I just like to shoot. I don't hunt, don't compete, I just like to plink away and see how small of groups I can get, mostly shooting at 100 yards since it's less of a walk, but sometimes out to 250. I seem to be at a plateau as far as my group size and am wondering about taking the next step.

I'd love to find a place that I could just order a good high quality action and barrel mated together, my brother has already said he would buy all the takeoff parts I have from the SPS. (Stock, trigger, barrel, action) all he'd need is a bolt. But I don't really know of any good shops to talk to. Any ideas... Let me know.
 

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Less of a walk.
Time for a good spotting scope or camera system.
Saves raising your heartbeat.
I put up lots of targets at 100 and can see the results reasonably well with a 20 power rifle scope. A good spotter is all you need at 100
 

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I'd love to find a place that I could just order a good high quality action and barrel mated together, my brother has already said he would buy all the takeoff parts I have from the SPS. (Stock, trigger, barrel, action) all he'd need is a bolt. But I don't really know of any good shops to talk to. Any ideas... Let me know.
For a barreled action you can get one from accurate ordnance, bugholes, and southwest precision. Another option would be to send your rifle to TS Customs or Longrifles Inc and have them true up your action and put a new barrel on.
 

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Today I had a little bit of time, so I put out a target at 180 yards, and loaded up 10 rounds of .308.

I dialed in .5 mils up on my scope per my ballistic app, and shot a 5 round group with a nice .362 MOA!

It was still a little high for POI, so I dialed it back down .3 mils and I hit just about dead on POA with a 5 round group measuring .383 MOA!


Anyways... I was very happy with my rifle, and my... performance today so I thought I'd share a target pic.

Circle
 
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