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Now what the heck...

I’m about to make a terrible first impression, so I’ll start out by saying: Hi, I’m Matt, and I’m a Nikon fanboy. It’s been five days since I’ve last given someone crap about using anything else but Nikon for their low to medium quality optics needs, and today I just found out that they decided to stop making rifle scopes.

I have what I’m sure you guys would consider a pathetic stash of guns. I have enough to arm my immediate family, but I trade up each time I buy new. I can say I have more Nikon scopes than I have rifles to put them on, and that just means I have three scopes and two long guns. One of which I shoot CMP matches with since they added the clause that you could use a 1-4.5 power for their SGMM.

So here I am contemplating a Howa 1500 “build” with some real time machining and carpentry happening to produce the stock/aluminum bedding. I wanted to top it with a Monarch 5 or M5 as it’s comparable to the Leupold Mark 4 6.5–20×50mm at a fraction of the cost when I came across a webpage off the beaten path with someone ranting about Nikon deciding not to make scopes anymore. Apparently, it’s scaring away their camera business from folks who don’t like guns.

First off, I get that. A lot of folks who buy cameras are low-impact hunters who prefer taking pictures of Bambi over blasting her guts out and mounting her head to a wall. While I’ve done my fair share of butchering for meat, I can see their perspective. From a business standpoint, it’s like trying to sell hybrid cars and gas guzzlers in the same lot. I’m sure not everyone cares, but some do, and someone has the numbers to back it up.

Whatever. What do I do now? I don’t want a historic scope, I want one I can get an exact replacement if I say, run it over with a vehicle, or a small child decides it makes a good spear and he’s practicing for the olympics?

I’m looking for a new brand to latch on to. I had a nasty experience with a Vortex (they told me it was .25 MOA adjustments, turns out that’s at 50 yards. Pretty sure that’s .5 MOA and you can’t say that...), and my wife has this silly idea that food and cloths are more important than good glass.

I’m done. Sorry. Had to get that off my chest.
 

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The problem is, in the Nikon price range, they are all about the same quality and probably most of them are built at the same factory and marketed by different companies. So if you are limited to buying scopes in this price range, then buy from a company that will back their scopes and quickly deal with any problems that arise. Also realize that at some point it is very possible that a scope going down will cost you a match, the hunt of a lifetime, or at the very least a lot of headache.

I use Tangent Theta on my serious hunting and target rifles because they rarely if ever go down and are top notch quality. I use Schmidt and Bender on my serious rimfire for the same reasons and the fact that they parallax down to 10 yards. Anything budget I use vortex. Vortex on the high end makes some pretty decent glass, but they still fail at times. On the low end they make glass comparable to other brands in the same price range, yet their warranty and service is supposed to be top notch.

My latest purchase is a strike eagle 5-25 FFP and it is quite nice for the price. It is for sure not a high end scope. Glass is not as clear. Turrets are quite mushy. Etc. but for the price I believe it will accomplish my purpose and it wasn’t crazy expensive.
 
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I’ve had good experiences with Nikon warranties, which is obviously soiled now.

How about Sig Sauer? Comparable prices, reputable manufacturer, experiences shooters, etc.
 

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I've used Nikon on my hunting rifles before. Yeh~, I liked them for the glasses. I mostly used the reticles to use holdovers. Let's face it, inside 300, no need to mess with the turrets. So, yep, Nikon was perfect fit for my hunting.

I've heard that Nikon will no-longer be in scope business several months ago. It was about time. They did not try hard enough to compete with other brands at long range scopes. They have come out with Black series, but they were too weak to survive. Nikon is a too big of company to keep stay in the business with current sales.

The replacement? Plenty. Burris has improved a lot. For around $500ish and under price range, I will go with Burris or Leupold. For $1000ish and under, I will probably go with NF SHV or Steiner GS 3.

At the end, I don't think I will miss Nikon with a broken heart. No.
 

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I went through heck trying to get them to honor their warranty on a pair of Nikon 7-15 zoom Binos years back. I have a pair of fixed 8 X Monarch binos that are pretty decent for the price I paid. That said I wont own any more of their products. I had to argue back and forth and they ended up replacing my binos with a crappy replacement that I ultimately gave away. This was about 8-10 years ago and it still leaves a bad taste because of what they put me thru to get them to back their product as they represented they would.

I bought some Nikon scopes at the BP and I ended up returning them because they wouldn't hold zero on a 308.
 

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I will shed no tears for them. I had 3 Nikon scopes go belly up on me, and never gave them a fourth chance. Monarch, Prostaff, or Buckmaster, didn't matter.

Wouldn't hold a zero, wouldn't track accurately, and one that after a few months could not be zeroed.

One was mounted on a 338 Lapua, but the other 2 were on a 30-06, and a 308 Win. The one on the 308 zeroed near the mechanical center of the scope and worked fine for a couple months (a deer season), then for whatever reason could not be physically zeroed anymore. This was discovered during a spring hog hunt. Was still zeroed before leaving on the hunt, but when a hog 70 yards away was missed, by several feet. Tried to re-zero in camp but with the elevation maxed out the point of impact was still 2 inches low. For the price there are (were) better scopes out there.
 
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