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Not sure if this is the correct forum for this post, but here she goes....

For you fellas that are wanting an nice AR rifle look at the Olympic PCR-16. I have found a guy in the Northwest that has an amazing deal on them $595.00 :shock: I picked mine up from the sporting goods store yesterday. He says that he can get anything in the olympic line cheaper that anyone!?!? I have no ties with this fella (he is in Washington and I live in Georgia) If you want his info let me know.

Mel, if you need to remove this post I understand, but I am in no way advertising for this fella, just passing along a great deal to some good guys. :D

I am going to put one of those Bushnell 3200 10x40 mill dot scopes on it. I am going to run by the range saturday and will let you know what she does.

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I would not say that they are cheap ($600 is still a lot of cash :D ) . I think that on the Oly. website it retails for $799, and I have seen it for $750 - $775 in the stores (when you can find it). The deal on this PCR-16 is..........Oly made a huge batch of the uppers and originaly they were only avalible to a couple of large wholesalers. This is by far the cheapest (price only) AR that Oly makes. If you look in the right places you can put together a DPMS AR M-4 (with the collapsible stock) for about $725+ +shipping, that is with no gunsmithing, just put the pins in it and go!!

To answer your question: Oly makes all parts in house, including barrels.

For long term value go with colt, if you just want to shoot go with Oly (I, by no way, am saying that Oly is better, just personal preference :D ) Some of the military fellas can probably shed more light on the difference that I can.
 

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I would like to hear a bit more about the Oly rifles from those of you that own one or have shot one. I've heard some quality issues, so I would like to hear how they compare to DPMS or Bushmaster (which I have experience with). Performance results would be good also. $595 seems like a dang good price.

thanks guys (and gals?)

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PS - No reason to delete this thread.
 

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Just tell me what you want tested at the range this weekend on the PCR-16 and it is done! (NO, I will not through it down in a mud puddle :p ). This is the second Oly I have owned and I have never had a problem with one. They have a great lifetime no "BS" warranty.

Now I am not using any of these rifles on a daily basis. Are there any troops in here that can shed some light on them, they should know better than anyone? What flavor of AR is issued to our fine troops the most?

I will be taking several types of ammo. Range is only 100 yds. Scope is the Bushnell 3200 10x40 that you did a review on, thought that I could try one also. I will try to do a full review on it, from a weekend shooters perspective, not a sniper or police officer.
 

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i have talked to a lot of AR-15 buffs who will say that Colt/Bushmaster hold up the best over longer periods of time than any other ARs
when they have AR-15s that fall apart after a year of shooting and others that last them a few years and still shoot like new

Olympic Arms is fine for plinking, not my first choice for making th enext line of Ar-15s for the military

DPMS i hear a few things about thier bolts breaking but those who dont complain about that generally love them
 

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I have heard some bad things about Colt's quality. I know they used to be really good, but since they whent bankrupt (sp?) their quality has bone down bigtime. This isn't coming from personal experience, only acounts of people I know.
 

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For performance, I'm wondering what type of accuracy you see from Oly AR's. How are the triggers? How much slop exists in the common areas of AR's? (upper/lower fit, etc)

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don't forget, when you are looking at quality AR-15's, you can not overlook Rock River Arms!!!!!!!!
 

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I also have heard of quality issue concerning Olympic. However I have heard of very positive testimonials of Armalite and Colt. A company that I recently heard of was Rock River Arms which recently won the DEA contract to supply a minimum of 5,000 carbines to the US govt agency.

This in itself is not impressive becuase Colt has had the largest govt contract followed by Bushmaster during Desert Storm however the tests that the DEA and associated agencies put the offered carbines through was very impressive. The had the carbines dropped from a 4ft platform, thrown 15ft or dropped on the muzzle and it could not fall apart, release the magazine but had to subsequently fire at least 20-30 rounds without a single problem. :shock: There were a serious of grueling tests but one of the ones that impressed me the most was where the manufacturers were required to bring several sample carbines and the testers would choose three or four and dissasemble them completely. Then they would mix and match parts to assemble a new carbine and it had to function flawlessly for some absurd number of rounds, and if it didn't you were out. This is why I am interested in RRA now alonside Colt and Armalite.

Just to identify which carbines I'm interested in, they are as follows: Colt M4, Armalite SOF M15, and RRA DEA carbine. Perhaps the Bushmaster M4 also. :roll:


Point in case, RRA won over the other companies. I am still considering Colt and Armalite and would love to hear what anyone has to say about these of even Bushmaster.

Personal prefference perhaps, but I would not go with Olympic. I have seen these other brands for 150-200 more and I think it woud be worth to spend more and worry less.
 

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Bushmaster was NOT in the competition to make the DEA carbine
they did however beat Colt which is impressive

me and my girlfriend have a total of 5 Bushmaster AR-15s and each of them shoots sub MOA and hasnt jammed yet other than 1 of them, my M4 which jammed from a bad magazine but it wasnt the gun's fault, that happens with new magazine springs all the time and each one has had thousands through em by now

Armalites i have found are far less accurate for thier standard models, never had any problems with them jamming but i have herd from people who teach AR-15 carbine courses and they all say Colt/Buhsmaster are the most relaible and when they see 1000 or so rounds put down range in a weekend they can tell weather a gun is good or not, whoever is in 3rd they arnt in the same league as bushmaster/colt
i dont know if they tested the RRA DEA models though cause these did out preform Colt or so i hear
suppose this means its bad for Colt now
 

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Jeff_850,

Just curious, how do you know that Bushmaster was not in the running for such a large and great publicity worthy contract?

Selling a minimum of 5,000 rifles with so many accesories, several magazines and a case would seem attractive to any arms company. :wink:
 

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yes it does sound like an attractive offer
they do (have done) business with the DEA already though
dont know why they wernt
Bushmaster told my friend that they wernt running in an email regarding the DEA model
dont know who wouldnt like to mkae 5000+ rifles though i mean they make money on them!!!
 

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The reason I love my RRA is because of the quality. Quality means everything to me. Mine came with Natl. match everything- chamber trigger, etc. Plus the Barrel is excellent. It's twist rate of 1:8(7.7 technically i believe.) is awsome and can shoot heavier bullets than say the 1:9 of the Bushmaster. Don't get me wrong, I like Bushmaster, but the RRA is just a better quality gun. Barrel, trigger, chamber, u name it. Plus it doesn't come with a P.O.S mag that the Bushmaster comes with. I heavily researched this before my purchase, and I almost bought the Bushmaster before I was introduced to the RRA. And mine was actually cheaper that a Bushmaster. What a deal!!!!!!!

Colt is known everywhere, but for the money now-a-days my rifle was not as much and was of better quality. Ask anyone who is a serious AR-15 enthusiast. Colt now-a-days is running off of their name.
 

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yea your right, Bushmaster mags 5 and 10 round mags suck but i dont have any of those
USGI mags are the best by far, all AR-15s can take them

as far as match parts goes, RRA has more standard but my Varminter still has everything i need to shoot 1/4 MOA every time with federal and black hills match
ive fired 5 Varminters, all of them were well below 1/2 MOA
i believe that RRA has the same consistancy

for shooting the 77 gr BTHPs i have more pea shooters that can hanlde it now that i didnt have before :)
i want to shoot an RRA at some point but not willing to buy another gun at full price right now hopefully one of my friends will get one
 

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Jeff_850 said:
Bushmaster told my friend that they wernt running in an email regarding the DEA model
Jeff_850,

Not to discredit your firend's claim whatsoever in fact I would believe that someone from Bushmaster's Sales or Customer Service team would without a doubt say this. Especially if they WERE in the running for the contract. Who would want to advertise that! :lol: .
***"yes we tried and failed, but were still superior in quality, reliability and accuracy" ***:wink:

I couldn't picture any company saying this that has a desire to maintain or increase market share in an already saturated market of AR manufacturers. I'm going to try to find out as I come into some contact with DEA and FBI agents. I want to know now, if anything to have peace of mind when I make my final purchase decision.

APK,

Which RRA did you purchase? I am concerend with two main things: Quality and reliability. I am also concerened with accuracy but 1/2 - 1 MOA at 100 yards is acceptable as the barrel will only be 16 or maybe even 14.5 since the ban allows for goodies that the BATF approves as being part of the barrel. I still have more research to do however what can you tell me about your RRA: good, bad, whats better than Armalite or Colt? By the way I'm interested in an M4 type therefore I would be comparing similar products from all of these companies. Thanks.
 

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Specter,
i saw the email
unless bushmaster lied about it...
would there be any place you could find for sure
would the DEA release that?
and APK has the Varminter, he had a few pics of it a while ago they are on the site

3/4-1 MOA is what you should expect with a Bushmaster M4... i dont want to say 1/2 MOA for one of those even if they are scoped
keep in mind these are light weight semi-auto carbines that cost only $200 more than a Remington 700P
 

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Anyone else have any experiences with the following AR manufacturer's:

Rock River Arms -DEA carbine
Colt Manufacturing -M4
Armalite -SOF M15
Bushmaster -M4

I would be interested in any input, experiences or thoughts. Thanks. :)
 

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Got a Colt M-4 post ban, only problem I have is that I have not fired it yet (had it for 3 years+/-) :D I can say that the fit and finish is A++, one of the best I have seen.
 
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