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I really didn't want to exceed the gun price of a M&P 15-22 so I was looking at the cheaper scopes coming from China. However, I'd appreciate a good optical. I'm looking for something "tactical" and not tacky, ya know the type, the high heel picker stabber wearing models swinging from one side to another while walking down the catwalk and then pictured on a glossy Italian magazine..... growwwllll.

Anyways, at my age I'm near sighted and would like to enjoy seeing the bullet holes in the paper from 150 meters when firing behind a M&P 15-22 [is that realistic?]. However, if the price of recommended scope by anyone willing to chime in exceeds 500 bucks then I add another criteria. What would be a great scope for the M&P 15 while taking advantage of its range?

I was thinking something with a magnification up to 12 times would be great for the .22. But, to be shared by quick dismount and mount while being transferred to and from the .22 and 5.56 adds another criteria into the equation.

Appreciate any recommendations,
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Take a look at the Diamondback Tacticals. Good optics for the money and in your price range. '

 

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I tend to go for the higher magnification when I shoot at any distance. The problem is that if you go for the higher magnification scopes that are affordable like the Diamondback tactical 6X24FFP the 6X might be a bit high for the .22 if you want to shoot anything inside 25yds. 4X16FFP might be a good choice but still 4X is a bit high if you plan to shoot squirrels at close range.

If however your 22 and 556 are going to be range guns then go for the 6X24. I have 2 of them and I don't touch the turrets because they both have tree reticles.

All that said, you are asking a lot of a single scope to accommodate two cartridges with such different performance characteristics.
 

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I tend to go for the higher magnification when I shoot at any distance. The problem is that if you go for the higher magnification scopes that are affordable like the Diamondback tactical 6X24FFP the 6X might be a bit high for the .22 if you want to shoot anything inside 25yds. 4X16FFP might be a good choice but still 4X is a bit high if you plan to shoot squirrels at close range.

If however your 22 and 556 are going to be range guns then go for the 6X24. I have 2 of them and I don't touch the turrets because they both have tree reticles.

All that said, you are asking a lot of a single scope to accommodate two cartridges with such different performance characteristics.
I appreciate your response and recommendations Martino1. I'd rather give up near distance for long distance as on both rifles I plan to retain the near range co-witness sights. The Diamondback is exactly where'd I prefer to be in price range and the Burris Xtreme 3-15x50mm at my financial limits [what I was considering].

Thank you for chiming in and enjoy this holiday season,
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Just a followup,
Plan on shooting this weekend. I went with the Vortex Crossfire II 6-18x44 Dead Hold BDC.
This optic for the price will remain on the 15-22 and not be shared with a M&P 15.
Appreciate everyone's advice!
 

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Let's see the paper when you're done.
Just an update as I was pretty excited after shooting for the first time in nearly 3 decades w/ a scope. First shot from 50 yards the bullet was 3 feet low but right on horizontally. W/in 6 shots the bullet walked steadily up until hitting the red. Then I went out to 100 yards. At that range the magnification surprised me as I was easily able to see the holes once aiming 1.5 tick/hasmark upwards in the reticle to get into the red. During this time I used Aguila .22lr super extra ammo.

Next I tried 100 rounds of Aguila sub sonic ammo and noticed the groupings nowhere near as tight. I also note that I had round 4-5 rounds out of a hundred which seemingly fired off or misfired in the chamber of the gun? To describe it seemed like the bolt wasn't all the way forward when 4-5 rounds went off. Don't know whether this kinda ammo has such a problem? Or the issue may be w/ the 15-22?

Anyways, the difference between super extra and subsonic ammo was day and night. W/ the super extra ammo the rifle sounded like an air pellet gun's released compression discharge but downrange I could for the first time hear the sonic crack of a round. Switching to sub sonic there was no sonic crack and for the first time in my life I now understood why these types of arrangements are called "plinkers". I had thought in the past that the plinking sound was the sound of the gun. Little had I known that the plink is from the sound of the round hitting the target which can be heard when the gun or background is that silent!

Had a blast shooting and felt like a kid! Can't wait to go out again soon and tighten the group on paper. I had a problem w/ the cheek riser on the stock first outting which was preventing my face or eye aligning w/ the reticle. I was really struggling w/ the eye relief and blacked out or tunnel effect in the reticle. Came home and was able to unbolt the cheek riser from the Core stock. Now I can get my eye to align w/ the reticle from behind since the obstacle cheek riser has been removed.

As was I didn't refresh the paper after sighting in so bullet holes were everywhere. And, I actually didn't bother trying to squeeze the groupings after landing on red. Next time I'll provide paper!
 

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Just an update as I was pretty excited after shooting for the first time in nearly 3 decades w/ a scope. First shot from 50 yards the bullet was 3 feet low but right on horizontally. W/in 6 shots the bullet walked steadily up until hitting the red. Then I went out to 100 yards. At that range the magnification surprised me as I was easily able to see the holes once aiming 1.5 tick/hasmark upwards in the reticle to get into the red. During this time I used Aguila .22lr super extra ammo.

Next I tried 100 rounds of Aguila sub sonic ammo and noticed the groupings nowhere near as tight. I also note that I had round 4-5 rounds out of a hundred which seemingly fired off or misfired in the chamber of the gun? To describe it seemed like the bolt wasn't all the way forward when 4-5 rounds went off. Don't know whether this kinda ammo has such a problem? Or the issue may be w/ the 15-22?

Anyways, the difference between super extra and subsonic ammo was day and night. W/ the super extra ammo the rifle sounded like an air pellet gun's released compression discharge but downrange I could for the first time hear the sonic crack of a round. Switching to sub sonic there was no sonic crack and for the first time in my life I now understood why these types of arrangements are called "plinkers". I had thought in the past that the plinking sound was the sound of the gun. Little had I known that the plink is from the sound of the round hitting the target which can be heard when the gun or background is that silent!

Had a blast shooting and felt like a kid! Can't wait to go out again soon and tighten the group on paper. I had a problem w/ the cheek riser on the stock first outting which was preventing my face or eye aligning w/ the reticle. I was really struggling w/ the eye relief and blacked out or tunnel effect in the reticle. Came home and was able to unbolt the cheek riser from the Core stock. Now I can get my eye to align w/ the reticle from behind since the obstacle cheek riser has been removed.

As was I didn't refresh the paper after sighting in so bullet holes were everywhere. And, I actually didn't bother trying to squeeze the groupings after landing on red. Next time I'll provide paper!
I read an article sometime back in an airgun forum. It discussed the accuracy of air guns below the speed of sound being more accurate than those above the speed of sound because of a disruption that occurs in the projectile when it traverses the sound barrier. I’m wondering if the same is not true for the 22 caliber in the subsonic potentially be more accurate than the super sonic.
 

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I read an article sometime back in an airgun forum. It discussed the accuracy of air guns below the speed of sound being more accurate than those above the speed of sound because of a disruption that occurs in the projectile when it traverses the sound barrier. I’m wondering if the same is not true for the 22 caliber in the subsonic potentially be more accurate than the super sonic.
I read the same principle but w/ 300 blackout subsonic ammo vs 5.56mm. The article stated that a round has more disruption not only going to supersonic speeds but also coming from out of supersonic speeds. Hey, let's make up a new word to describe such effect - "Yeager" after Chuck Yeager :)

By the way I didn't bother making fine adjustments because I was uncertain if my location in relation to the targets was less than ideal. I was shooting from the 4:30 to 5:00 o'clock positions on an angle down hill. Next time I'll try to pick a flatter spot and shoot straight to the target from 6 to 12 o'clock.

What a fun and memorable day!

 

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Did you have gusting winds because that will expand your grouping for you out to 100yds or more.

I had a buddy who helped me a lot get me and my CZ 455 dinging steel at 200yds. Before that I would have said that that wasn't possible but if you have someone set up behind you in line with the target you can see the air disruption of the bullet heading down range with a decent spotting scope. I was able to see that with my 308Win when my buddy shot it. I suspect my spotter who's now in Alaska probably saw my .22lr's fly out to 200 cause he called corrections and we were shooting on grass so there was no splash likely. I have to say wind was playing havoc with me out to 200 because it would gust then die down then gust and so on. I've heard that it's possible to go out to 400 with a .22lr I just haven't tried. I was happy as a bug in a rug w impacts at 200.
 

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Did you have gusting winds because that will expand your grouping for you out to 100yds or more.

I had a buddy who helped me a lot get me and my CZ 455 dinging steel at 200yds. Before that I would have said that that wasn't possible but if you have someone set up behind you in line with the target you can see the air disruption of the bullet heading down range with a decent spotting scope. I was able to see that with my 308Win when my buddy shot it. I suspect my spotter who's now in Alaska probably saw my .22lr's fly out to 200 cause he called corrections and we were shooting on grass so there was no splash likely. I have to say wind was playing havoc with me out to 200 because it would gust then die down then gust and so on. I've that it's possible to go out to 400 with a .22lr I just haven't tried. I was happy as a bug in a rug w impacts at 200.
As still of a day as they come. And yes, I've seen thermal trails before but not from .22lr. Man, my eyesight must be failing! 200 yards is awesome @Martino1. I'll have to find another spot to reach out to that distance.

To note, when firing the time before last at 100 yards and alternating between subsonic and supersonic rounds I had to adjust one and a half ticks on the scope upwards for subsonic.

I can't imagine the drop compensation for a .22lr at 400 yards and the time it takes the round to get there lol.

Enjoy bro and happy shooting,
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I read an article sometime back in an airgun forum. It discussed the accuracy of air guns below the speed of sound being more accurate than those above the speed of sound because of a disruption that occurs in the projectile when it traverses the sound barrier. I’m wondering if the same is not true for the 22 caliber in the subsonic potentially be more accurate than the super sonic.
It definitely is. Why I use subsonic .22LR for matches as we can shoot in areas that are supersonic and then into transonic and subsonic if you use supersonic ammo to start. That ammo can get squirrely in areas and you don't want that. Not worth it for a little more velocity. Subsonic ammo does fine. I shoot my .22 to over 500 yards.
 

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It definitely is. Why I use subsonic .22LR for matches as we can shoot in areas that are supersonic and then into transonic and subsonic if you use supersonic ammo to start. That ammo can get squirrely in areas and you don't want that. Not worth it for a little more velocity. Subsonic ammo does fine. I shoot my .22 to over 500 yards.
May I ask what gun/optic are you using?
 

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I shot my RimX out to 340 a few days ago. When we were patient enough to wait on wind, we were hitting a 4” steel plate. It does take quite a bit of time for the subsonic bullet to travel that distance, but the ping on steel is quite satisfying.

The rifle is a full custom RimX bought from Primal Rights. It has a benchmark barrel, triggertech trigger, and a McMillian A-6 PRS stock. Custom Cerakote was done by us at Primal Finish. This rifle flat out shoots.

My scope is a S&B PMII 5-25. The day we shot, 340 yards was 17.2 mils. If you want first round hits, you really need a kestrel as the ups will vary by several mils at those distances depending on condition. This optic will parallax down to 10 yards, which is important (to me) for a rimfire optic.






 
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Hello,

I really didn't want to exceed the gun price of a M&P 15-22 so I was looking at the cheaper scopes coming from China. However, I'd appreciate a good optical. I'm looking for something "tactical" and not tacky, ya know the type, the high heel picker stabber wearing models swinging from one side to another while walking down the catwalk and then pictured on a glossy Italian magazine..... growwwllll.

Anyways, at my age I'm near sighted and would like to enjoy seeing the bullet holes in the paper from 150 meters when firing behind a M&P 15-22 [is that realistic?]. However, if the price of recommended scope by anyone willing to chime in exceeds 500 bucks then I add another criteria. What would be a great scope for the M&P 15 while taking advantage of its range?

I was thinking something with a magnification up to 12 times would be great for the .22. But, to be shared by quick dismount and mount while being transferred to and from the .22 and 5.56 adds another criteria into the equation.

Appreciate any recommendations,
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I have the m& P 15/22 I put a Bushnell 4x18 ar 15 scope paid 148 at bass pro about a year ago and it works great and just moved it to an Ar 15 and wors great good look
 
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