[Xover320]

I have a nuisance permit to take out two critters from roughly 150 yards. What combination of semiauto and subsonic ammo will work (in conjunction with a suppressor). I need something greater than a 10/22. Need to keep the local activists away.

 

[AK]

Subsonic ammunition may not like a semiautomatic action. I do not know what is commercially available in the US for subsonic ammo.

 

[TinStar]

Check out TTI Armory. They've got some sub-sonic stuff. I've heard some real good things about TTI. Hope this helps.

 

[spade]

if you HAVE to have a semi auto, an ar-15 is going to be your best bet. You can find some decent 223 stuff out there.

 

[muzzleblast]

"I need to kill unspecified things silently"

Ah, excuse me for not helping with this one lol

 

[SpEcTeR]

Depending on your budget I would recommend either:

Remington 700P in 223 or 308 size of vermin dependent
or
Remington 700 VS in 223 or 308
or
Savage, there are many and cheaper than Remys 10FPs are nice

Subsonic ammo is available for both calibers and will function in the bolt actions. Look around, you might find a good used P or VS or you could get one from SDog. I cannot say how good his prices are since they have not posted them yet. Good luck.

 

[Yimmy]

re

Why do the rounds have to be subsonic?
Just sticking a suppressor on a super-sonic load will kill most of the muzzle report; the sonic boom isnt really that bad.

If you do want subsonic - and don't mind bullet drop - it may be worth your while to look at .45ACP. Worked well with the De lisle Carbine.

 

[subThermal]

Depends on the critters.

You can feed a sub sonic round into a weapon you currently own and most civilians wont have a clue if you fire 1 shot.

It is when there are multiple shots people realize what is going on and start to phone the police.

Caliber is also going to matter, not only for which kind of critter you are shooting, but also the amount of noise reduction you can expect. There are numerous 223 cans out there for AR-15's & threaded rifles, combined with subsonic ammo, makes it very hard for people to identify, especially at range.

If all else fails, get closer, and use a bow. Critters like food, and if it is a dumb critter, i.e. a type of "pig," then just feed them and shoot them.

 

[sniperdog-alpha1]

Buy you a ar-15 and put a suppressor on it, then go to blackhills and order some of there subsonic ammunition. They take the ammo, put it in the clip, then stick clip into mag well, charge handle, and not only teach the critters a lesson, but have the most fun you have had all year. Buy the way a 45 suppressed really isn't all that quiet next to a mp5sd. The 9mm is seriously a quiet round. Whatever you do, have fun and put one in the little critter for me. sniperdog

 

[sniperdog-alpha1]

sorry I had serious typos on that last one. sniperdog

 

[marvin_lr30]

silent kills

Have to agree with muzzleblast this smells really funny, what type critters and why the long range ? and it seems they are large if a 10/22 wont take them out . sounds like something wrong. and if you had a nuisance permit why the secret /quiet shooting ? just a weird feel to this

 

[Yimmy]

re

"Buy the way a 45 suppressed really isn't all that quiet next to a mp5sd"

The De Lisle Carbine in .45 is supposed to be one of the quietest weapons around.

 

[muzzleblast]

45 ACP is usually subsonic to begin with, thats why its so quiet when suppressed? Never seen the delisle fired but I have a quicktime video from HK of the MP5...its hushed alright. Smack your tongue off the roof of your mouth as fast as can, thats about what it sounds like lol.

I see what ya mean Marvin, and yep, thats kinda what I was getting at...it looks fishy. I'm not trying to imply anything, it just does

 

[sniperdog-alpha1]

I meant a 45 like a HK or a glock suppressed

 

[scoutsniperx]

hey muzzleblast this one definitely raised my eyebrow to. it doesnt make sense why you would need to surpress anything if you have a nuisance permit. much less there is something peculiar about the way its worded if its your property why couldnt you get closer then 150 yards? and what type of critter is this?

 

[AK]

On another forum, they reported a fellow like this to the FBI. Not that I'm suggesting anything, but there are definate holes in his logic. Summa Summarum:

1) Unspecified target, relatively large since a 10/22 ain't gonna handle it.
2) He has a "permit" yet cannot engage under 150 yards.
3) States that the "Activists" (LEO(s)?) need to be kept away?

Xover, damn you, at least make up a plausible lie or fill in this gaping holes.

 

[Scatch Maroo]

Considering he's a first time poster, I suggest he be reported!

TIE HIM UP AND BURN HIM DOWN!

Scatch Maroo

 

[Xover320]

OK OK ......... for all of you doubters out there. For those of you who have never worked with a Nuisance Permit: first the Critters are Canada Geese and Cormorants - both of which have destroyed my properly and the local fishing in FL. Second, even though you have a nuisance Permit, it doesn't stop the local "Left Wing" activists from harassing you. If you talk to wildlife management professionals - they will attest to this. Unfortunate, the birds are skittish and do most of the damage while I am away. When I am in the vicinity, they stay roughly 100-150 yards away. This is well out of the range of a 10/22. Anything that is unsuppressed and/or not using subsonic ammo creates to much noise (mussel blast and or "Sonic Crack") but most importantly .... could propose a danger down range. Subsonic Ammo in a .308/.223 has a short lethal range. I just do not want to attract attention or hurt anyone down range. I hope this clears up any confusion or skepticism. You cannot belive the amount of crap I have cleaned off this property.

 

[AK]

See, when you explain it all, you get the help you need, as you seem to be getting in the "Take 2" thread.

 

[Ballistic_Coefficiency]

"I need to kill unspecified things silently"

Ah, excuse me for not helping with this one lol

Same here.... :roll: