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I'm an IPSC shooter so bear with me... :D

I have sorta been watching for a 308, just to have one and learn some about long range shooting. One just came up in an estate sale, but it's 308 norma magnum. It's all setup for 1000 yards, with a big box of goodies and the price is right. The barrel is 30" long and really heavy, mauser action, awesome trigger etc..

Is it worth buying and having it rechambered to 308? I reload, and just don't want my first rifle to be some oddball cartridge.

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Is it worth buying and having it rechambered to 308? I reload, and just don't want my first rifle to be some oddball cartridge.

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NO!!!!

Keep it in 308 Norma! It is an awesome cartridge and capable of equal accuracy as the 308 Win at 308 Win ranges and more accurate than the 308 Win past 1000 yards.

The 308 Norma is not all that oddball. I know several people that own at least one, and it is on my list of sporter Mausers to build. Cases are made from 338 Win Mag, and several brands of 308 Norma brass are imported (it is probably the most popular 308 caliber magnum outside the USA).

In heavy bullets (over 190 grain), it gives nothing up to the 300 Win Mag and does it with less powder. It has been used successfully in long range bench rest and high power rifle. In fact, for decades, the US Army Marksmanship Unit used a slight variation of the 308 Norma called the 30-338, which the difference was a slightly longer neck.

I'd say buy it and keep it the way it is, or tell me how I can get my hands on it.
 

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rechamber 308 norma

Well as stated I say no but slightly different reason .the magnum chamber is too large the barrel would have to be set back several inches if it is large enough in diameter then the bolt will have to be replaced along with the extractor then the magazine rails probably have been opend up slightly to feed the larger cartridge so feeding with a .308 win is iffy, my suggestion is either leave it as is although factory ammo is limited or rechamber to .300 win mag the win mag has more ammo available ,but it is Your choice just my thoughts good luck.
 

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I agree with Sgt.Grace. The .308 Norma is a good round to work with, having the power of a .300 Win Mag.They are easy to load, and load info is everywhere for them.If it's already set up for 1000 yards,it's probably heavy enough to give less recoil than a lighter rifle.

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Geez you guys... That wasn't the response I was expecting :D Maybe I will try it out as is for a while and see. The gun and myself are north of the border so can't get it to any of you guys easily. I'll just have to try and enjoy it myself.

The gun doesn't have a bi-pod setup, it does have an inset rail in the bottom of the stock for either a sling, or a handle for offhand (which I kinda doubt I'll be doing). Anything else I should be looking at or for in the gun?

Appreciate the comments,

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Geez you guys... That wasn't the response I was expecting :D Maybe I will try it out as is for a while and see. The gun and myself are north of the border so can't get it to any of you guys easily. I'll just have to try and enjoy it myself.

The gun doesn't have a bi-pod setup, it does have an inset rail in the bottom of the stock for either a sling, or a handle for offhand (which I kinda doubt I'll be doing). Anything else I should be looking at or for in the gun?

Appreciate the comments,

Mark
What kind of action is it?

308 Norma is not known for throat erosion, but if more than 2000 rounds have been shot through it, there will be some. You might want to check the leade.

Sounds like you have got an ideal rifle for shooting long range. Has it got a scope or target peep sights?
 

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It has Mauser action, really smooth. I don't think it has done a huge amount of shooting. It is setup with peep sites, but I am pretty sure there is a rail for mounting a scope.

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Please post some pics after you buy it. :wink:
 

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It looks like it's going to be mine after all :) Probably going to have to wait a couple weeks for pictures... I have to head out of town for work on saturday, and won't be back for two weeks :cry: If I can get over there saturday morning, just gotta sort through the "extra" stuff to see if there are any other goodies I need out of the box of stuff.
 

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I have a hunting rifle in 308NM. It was built by what was then (25+ years ago) the best custom gunnsmith in Brisbane. He was a big fan of the classic custom gunsmiths of the era.

FN Mauser 98 (ex military) all the good stuff done, e.g blue printing and trued, rails lapped (feeds like silk). All the customs bits too numerous to mention and shoots the same. My favourite hunting load is 180gr Hornady at 3,100 fps and will shoot 3 shots into less than ¾" @ 100 yards.



I have a hankering (after I break into precision rifle shooting with an LTR for up to 600 yards shooting) of building a 308 NM precision rifle for 600-1,000 yards stuff).

I am pleased to see the post here as I thought the grand old 308 NM was almost a has been in the US overtaken by the 300 WM. In fact the reason for the short neck on the latter was the existence of the 308 NM I believe as the logical move for Winchester was something like the 30/338.

Cheers and God bless,
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magnum,

That is a sweet rifle! I love the wood grain pattern. I am glad to hear it shoots well in a sporter weight barrel.

I plan to use a Mauser 98 action for mine. You have to open the feed rails in the bottom of the receiver for the magnum case, and you have to open the bolt face and modify the extractor for the magnum rim. For a precision rifle, I think a 26 inch heavy Lothar-Walther would be the hot set up.

I am using Tubb speedlock firing pins and springs in my sporter Mausers. The lock time on a Mauser 98 is horrendous, compared to a Remington 700.
 

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Sgt Grace,

Thanks for the input. When I got around to building a precision 308NM I thought I might get one of these,
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They're made locally by a firm that specialises in military and tactical rifles. Much easier than importing one (this can be difficult in Oz).

Cheers and God bless,
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Magnum, that one looks pretty awesome.

Well it's mine now :D No pictures yet, hopefully soon. Took it to one of the local long gun gurus to see what I need to do to get it setup properly with a scope.

Turns out it has Unertl base for the scope (previous owner was shooting it before I was born). Within a week, it will have a base that I can mount any of the modern scopes too.

In the box of goodies that it came with was around 150 cases, a bunch of hornady 168gr boat tail hollowpoint bullets, dies, and a bunch of other stuff.

Oh, without scope, the gun weighs 14 lbs!
 

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That's a pretty heavy gun, hope you don't have to walk too far with it. Though for range shooting it should be OK, will soak up a bit of recoil.

I use mainly 180gr bullets for hunting in my .308 NM. I can get them out of my 24" barrel at 3,100 fps and it is a real "tack driver" too. See target below 3 shot group .703" at 100 yards from the bench.



Most of the LR range target shooters here use 190gr Match bullets in the .308NM and .300 WM. Better tradjectory out to 1,000 yds they tell me. They consider the 168 gr bullets a 300 yard bullet.

Any way have some fun with it.

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Okay, I have the gun now... and it has a base on which to mount a scope.

Here are some poorly lite pictures :D





The barrel sure makes 30 cal seem like a small hole...



Reading up on loading rifle, lots to learn. Also going through choices for Optics, I think my limit is gonna be just under $1000

Really looking forward to trying it.

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Man, that looks great! I think you are going to enjoy that rifle.

If you choose to reload, there is some good data over on reloadersnest.com.
 

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I think you should just mount a scope on that rifle and enjoy it. It looks geat,mdwflyer.

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Nice rifle. Definitely need to get into reloading for that calibre. My rifle shoots best with full loads so best work up your own.

If you're mainly looking at range and competition shooting then my choice would be one of the Leupold tactical series or a Springfield Armory scope.

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Sorry for taking a while getting back here, been on the road.

I will be reloading for it, I've got a 550 that I load .45 with. I have the conversion kit, sizing die, seating die, I don't have a magnum powder bar for it yet, was gonna see what others are doing for powder dropping first. I don't plan on mass producing ammo with it. I have heard that the 550 isn't consistent enough for dropping big loads of powder, so I was planning on dropping 1/2 to 1 grain short and trickling the load just right.

I have been reading and looking at different scopes, $1000 is about it for my price range. The Leupold Mark 4 4.5-14x50mm LR/T M1, is looking pretty good. It's tough shopping for this stuff, when I don't have a baseline as to what's important.

Also need to get a bipod, probably Harris. Is there a standard length you guys use?

Thanks
 
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