[muzzleblast]

Hey all! I've got a question for the experts...I know Mel was able to help me quite a bit when I e-mailed him last year about a Win model 70 and everyone here knows a lot more than I do...hope you all don't find it too boring since its just a hunting rifle question...


I'm looking at buying a Remington 700 ADL with a camo stock in 30-06, and I know it will give me all the accuracy I ever need for a hunting rifle, but I don't have any experience with them...Just how accurate should I expect it to be? I don't hve any delusions of it being a tack driver or a tactical rifle or anything but do you think I would need to have it bedded if I wanted it to shoot 1 moa?

I know its a hard question because every rifle is different. Its just that its the same price as I have seen those weird 710s sold at, and it comes with Leupold rings too so I'm kinda wondering.

Thanks all!

 

[morpheus]

...Just how accurate should I expect it to be? I don't hve any delusions of it being a tack driver or a tactical rifle or anything but do you think I would need to have it bedded if I wanted it to shoot 1 moa?

How far are you expecting to take your shots at? In most hunting situations 1moa is very good shooting. 2-3moa is just fine if you aren't shooting farther than 300yards. While you always want better accuracy when you hunting you can't always take advantage of 1moa very often, thats for a couple of reasons one is because you aren't shooting off a bench rest and you aren't prone. To have the action bedded is always good (if done by a compentent gunsmith of course). But 1moa is very good for a hunting rifle.

 

[Jeff_850]

not sure what accuracy you will get out of a Remington 700 ADL
but im pritty sure it will be more than enough for close range hunting
here most of the time i run into deer at only a few hundred feet tops, usually less, and take shots from the standing position
if you are doing longer ranged hunting, you will want the rifle that is more accurate, sub moa is ideal, for closer range hunting you wont gain much by a sub moa rifle

 

[muzzleblast]

Hey all, thanks for the anwsers

I plan to use the adl or whatever I end up buying at ranges between 50-350 meters, since my property has a field used to grow cattle feed thats about 600 m long. (my personal shooting range ) I wouldn't push my shooting at an animal past 350 meters though, paper yeah, but not deer. And thats because I get to take the chance to use prone supported positions since the field is pretty flat. 50-100 meters is usually the range I end up seeing deer at though, seldom past that unless its field hunting.

I guess maybe if I want a 1 moa shooter I should just spend what I would pay the gunsmith to bed it and put it towards a different rifle, in hindsight, but I was looking for something a little more compact than say a sendero or a 700 vs, not to mention lighter.

Thanks again for the help

 

[Guest]

The 700 ADL is a good, solid rifle with great accuracy potential. Just like any rifle, there will be things you can do to maximize its performance. My oldest son currently uses a 700 in 30-06 for most of his hunting and he has had the best results with loads utilizing 165gr and 180gr bullets. He doesn't reload ( I can barely tolerate the shame ), but he is getting right at 1MOA from his gun using Federal Premium loads in both 165gr and 180gr loadings. This is for 3-shot and not 5-shot groups, but we're talking about a sporter weight barrel. I've seen him make enough head-shots on wild pigs at 200+ meters to know it's not an accident. He has bedded the action and free-floated the barrel, but that's not expensive to do (especially when Dad does it!!). I also adjusted the trigger for him and it is a crisp 3.2lbs. By the way, he uses a 3x9 Burris with Ballistic-Plex reticle in case you were interested. GREAT scope! You could do a LOT worse than a 700 ADL as a starting platform for a reasonably priced sporting rifle with 1MOA capability. You may not get all the way down to 1MOA, but I've seen (and owned) enough standard 700s that would beat this with the proper mods and loads to know it's not that big of a trick. If the gun is clean, I'd say give it a try.

K2

 

[muzzleblast]

Remington 700 adl

Hi K2, thanks for the input.

Sounds like your son has one mean rifle! I was already intending to use Federal 180 grain vital shock ammo, so it sounds like if mine shoots as well as his, deer at 350 meters won't be impossible. From a proper position I know I can do that...if the rifle is near moa I shouldn't have a problem. And its not big or heavy enough to limit its use for close stuff either.

Whats a suggestable weight to have the trigger tuned to? 3.2 lbs sounds nice...And I'll have a qualified gunsmith do that and the bedding job. I was just a little worried about the ADL because its the same price as a 710 and I know those are not so hot. And the ADL comes with Leupold mounts too, so thats a bonus. I would like to use a Leupold 3-9 vari-X III but the new bushnell elite 4200s seem almost as good to me. The firefly reticule is pretty cool too.

Yep, the rifle is clean, brand new. Its waitin for me in a shop...For $613 canuck dollars its not a bad deal...that would be about $430 American. Not bad for a pretty versatile rifle. The only other rifles I know that beat the price range there are Savages, but I want to own at least one 700 lol... I think I'll try it.

Thanks!

 

[Guest]

Hey, good luck with the rifle. I'm pretty confident you'll be happy with it. If you can pick up a 700 at the same price as a 710 you're stealing it!! Take a look at the Burris scope before you buy the Leupold or Bushnell if you can. The optics are OUTSTANDING for the money. The low-light performance is actually comparable to my Zeiss scopes. We do a lot of pig hunting and it's legal to do it at night here in Texas. With any kind of moon at all, you can see well enough tp make 75-100 yard shots without any artificial light what so ever. It's super rugged and has more internal adjustment than the Leupold plus it has a lifetime warranty. The adjustments are also very precise and repeatable. I've seen them in the Cabella catalog at under $200 for a 3x9x40. Leupold's a great choice too, but compare it side by side with the Burris if you can. It will surprise you. Make sure to check out the ballistic plex version. Look on their website.

K2

 

[muzzleblast]

Burris

I checked out that website...Nice optics

I like that reticle...I think I'll have to try it. Seems better than a Bushnell. If its better than a Leupold, it sure doesn't it the wallet as hard.

Trying to find a place to order it from...I'll have to check the local shop. Not finding much about it on the net. Maybe I'll have to buy it from Cabelas...Hope the courier doesn't smack it around.

If I ever wanted to have a heavier barrel on that Remington, is there any companies you would suggest?

Seriously though, sweet scopes!

 

[morpheus]

Re: Burris

If I ever wanted to have a heavier barrel on that Remington, is there any companies you would suggest?

Krieger makes really good barrels, if you wanted buy one of those and get a gunsmith to put it on. Or send it to them.

 

[mele]

I wanted to reply about a few of the things in this topic.

The 700 ADL will serve you well. Out of the box with factory ammo, you will probably be in the 1.5-2.5 MOA (remingtons have been good lately, so I would not be surprised if it was at the lower end of that range). With some simple and inexpensive work, you will be down "close" to your goal. I would start with trigger job, bedding job, and lapping the lugs.

In terms of the Scopes, K2 has a point. I am in the middle of doing a T&E on the burris 3-9x BallisticPLex right now. Look for the review in about 3 weeks on the site. The scope is indeed VERY good for the price. Certainly worth looking at.

MEL

 

[muzzleblast]

Okay Morph, I checked out their website...some nice barrels. If I ever decide to have that done I know who to order from. I'll talk to my smith about it anyway. Thanks for the info.

Can't wait to see that Burris review. I liked the one on the Bushnell 3200 mil dot. I found that scope suprisingly good for the little dough I spent on it...No Leupy, but close enough. And thanks for the info on Remingtons, Mel. I didn't know they varied that widely. Hopefully its in the lower end of that spectrum, like you said.

Thanks to all, this place is great.

 

[mele]

Well, when you are mass producing rifles, its just a bi-poduct of acceptable tolerences. That 1 MOA variation is actually pretty good when you are talking hundreds of thousands of rifles.

MEL

 

[Zaitsev]

Remington ADL 30-06

i recently received a Remington ADL synthetic 30-06. It is a great rifle. i use 180 grain bullets. i markedd it in and 100 yards in 5 shots. it has not much kick for the notorius mule kicking caliber. i am only 14 and that gun fells like a 22 to me it just right with that r3 recoil pad. my only problem is the stock is alittle long for the scope. overall it is a great gun. and i have shot lots of guns and this is one of the best ive shot. if you get it good luck

 

[muzzleblast]

700 ADL

Thanks Zaitsev, good to hear from people who have them. Do ya hunt a lot?

Props for the input anyway...all the positive things people at the forum had to say have convinced me to buy it. What kinda optics do you have on yours?

Sounds like a rifle that will do all I ask of it, and I'm already a big fan of the 30-06 round. I'm not very recoil sensitive but I swear I've fired a few ought sixes that kicked harder than my win 70 black shadow in 300 mag...glad this won't be one of em

It'll be cool to use with 180's too, as thats what I planned for it. I don't wanna put anything bigger than 150's through my Garand...bad for the op rod. If I should be firing any factory ammo thru it to begin with but that old rifle is tougher than a two dollar steak, and no signs of problems yet.

 

[SpEcTeR]

One of my brothers recently purchased a Rem ADL synthetic, but his was in 7mm Rem Mag. He has been shooting very tight groups at 100-200yrds. I realize that the ballistics of these two calibers differ however he is very happy with the rifle out of the box. Good luck.

 

[RemMan]

I'm new to this site, but thought i'd give my .02.

I've got an ADL in .270 win. i love the gun. the only mod i've done so far is sweeten up the trigger. With handloads i've shot groups well under 1/2 moa groups, with my best being .125" The sporter barrel does heat up quickly, but that shouldn't be a factor in a hunting rifle. My only complaint with mine is that my cold bore shot is about 1'' out of the group, but a bedding job would probably help that.

 

[muzzleblast]

.125 inch from an ADL! Hot Damn!

Lol, don't worry guys, my expectations are nowhere near that lofty but its nice to hear...Congrats, dude...sweet rifle!! :twisted:

I may just hit 1 moa with mine afterall...from what I gather though, I really should start handloading...makes a lot of sense. What are the best groups you can get with factory, Rem man?

Thanks

 

[Jeff_850]

looks like another person is interested in handloads now
so far i have only shot factory ammo but i think i could save money by realoding and i might start and i think i could get a better bullet
also learn a lot about my guns by doing this

 

[muzzleblast]

Hey Jeff,

I was't expecting any replies that fast lol...good thing I'm staying up too late.

I've been thikning about handloading for a long time now, since I read all over the place that its better for accuracy, etc...I dunno if I could load any better than the pros but I'd like to try. Lots of different combinations I can think of too, that aren't offered in factory loads, and if it hits the pocketbook a little less, hey it can't be all that bad.

Sounds like fun too.

I gotta admit, the thought does intimidate me a lil though.

 

[Jeff_850]

lol
it intimidates me a lil bit
but id like to cut my groups down in half w/ my guns etc
now i got work early tommarrow so im going to bed