[donleuschen]

What do you think? I buy a 700 LTR 20" barrel for 1000.00, put my scope and bipod on it, and it should work. Just the frustration alone and the probable great expense tells me to just sell the VTR to Bubba. I am in California though.

 

[ecsosniper]

Try a 20 inch Tactical I should have info on how it performs my Monday but I have shot LTRs and two years ago had one but only ran 147 grn FMJBT and it seem good. I just dont see the price difference in a LTR to a Tactical which has the same barel and action only difference is the fluting and stock. I will put my VTR against any LTR with same base and scope and ammo any day.

 

[donleuschen]

I shot off a pack and liked it much better. The PSS I borrowed was nice. Millette scope, we shot out at 200, and the groups were MOA with 14 mph cross wind. Ronnie's class was really good out here in San Bernardino CA. I am taking the advanced course in May, so I need to have a rifle ready. I am kinda of a type A personality, so I need this NOW. haha

 

[ecsosniper]

Donleuschen check and double check all bases and ring screws if no change swap out scope and/or stock. If you cant get tighter groups try to shoot other rifles already set up and find one you like. If you decide to sell let me know.

 

[oneeyedmac]

I got first dibs on the sale!!

It'll be interesting to me to see what it takes to make it shoot. Whether I'll have to put a new stock or barrel on it or whther it'll take machine work. I want to look very closely at the bore and see what we've got in there and in the action that is causing this thing to be awful.

 

[theloss52]

And to think I ALMOST went with one!

I got the R700 SPS Tact, LOVE IT!!!
(stocks a bit of flex in it, but its ok)

 

[jeffdorr]

One of the things that makes a marksman shoot well is confidence in their rifle. If that confidence is shaken, sometimes it can't be easily regained. If replacing the stock, or rebarreling doesn't seem feasable to you, trade the rifle in. Or sell it to finance the next rifle.

As an auto mechanic and bodyman, I'm used to tinkering with things to revert them back to original form or convert them to improved form. Something like your problem would drive me insane until I fixed the issue. It's the mindset of what makes a talented mechanic. Not everyone is a mechanic, however. If swapping out parts isn't your thing, not to mention waiting on super busy gunsmiths to do the things you can't for yourself, then the LTR is a faster and better solution. It can be exasperating to spend a lot of money on a rifle, only to find it's a lemon.

I know that if I spend money on something, I want to play with it right now. I can wait on a project rifle,because I have several others to mess with while waiting. Not everyone has that opportunity. Get the LTR, and shoot confidently. My opinion.

Jeff

 

[Pointman308]

700 VTR

I have also been foolish enough to buy a 700 VTR in .308. I had a whole team of guys trying to help me to get the dang thing to shoot under 1 inch and we could not get it done. We tried everything from lighter to heavier bullets, different powder, different seating depths, and I even know of people who have tried different stocks with negligable results. The problem with the gun as I think Mel discovered by testing it, is that a triangular shaped barrel is just a marketing gimmick. I remember not to long ago(before I was even born) that they used to put octagon or similar shaped barrels on guns. They have gotten away from this because they discovered (I think) the concept of barrell harmonics. To achieve good barrel harmonics you have to have a round barrell. As they have found out time and time again round barrels offer the most accuracy. But Hey, doesn't the Remington VTR just look so cool? :wink:

 

[hawk]

Something like your problem would drive me insane until I fixed the issue. Jeff

I agree with you Jeff. Things like that; a rifle not shooting straight or an unreliable gun will annoy me enough to keep me awake until I have it fixed.

Donleuchen, as a type a personality it may very well bother your confidance with the rifle if it dosn't continue to perform well. Seems like you are working out the bugs though and found some ammo that it likes. MOA in a crosswind isn't too shabby. Good luck.

 

[danielmagby]

I had a friend who who bought one of these in 22-250. He told me it shot REALLY good. I was in the market for a 250 so i bought one. It shot about a 4 inch group at 100 yds. I tried two different scopes (leupolds) and floated the junk stock and tried about 12 different loads through it. Finally about 1.5 MOA at a 100 yds. is the best I could do. My friend came out to the house and shot his and same thing. 4" groups. He said, "That's good enough for me." What? I would hate to see one of his guns that didnt shoot good. Anyway unloaded this piece of **** and got 500 bucks for it and bought a sps varmit. I guess the only good thing about the VTR is the flat part on the barrel is perfect because it doesn't let the pipe wrench slip when you take that junk barrel off the action. I guess you could use the barrel for a trot line weight or something.

 

[Caliburnus]

I agree 100% with oneeyedmac, this thing could bhappen with any other average price 700s.

And it seems that Rem will continue to trust the triangular barrel:

I have trusted it in 223 a few months ago and I was happy of my choise out of the box, I'm still happy now that is a little tuned up.
I take it to the range every week and constantly do her job:
(yesterday shooted 9 rounds

)

Probably is fortune, probably if I would buy a 700 in 308 it will be a 700P, but I really can't say that the vtr is a bad rifle!

 

[SemperFi]

I second trying a tub's final finish kit. They are great, and if there are some tooling marks in your barrel will smooth it out. It may tighten up those groups.

I feel bad for you, there would be nothing I hate worse than a rifle that doesn't shoot the way I want it. If nothing seems to work, then it's probably a bad one, and then you could write Remington about it. Maybe you got a lemon.

Here's an article about it: http://www.jarheadtop.com/article_finalfinish.html

 

[shawnc992001]

Are all barrels used in the VTR series the same outside diameter? If they are and Remington is punching a .224 bore through it and then a .308 the walls will be thinner in the .308 barrel than the .224, which is going to be a whole different animal in terms of barrel stiffness and harmonics.

 

[oneeyedmac]

Like I said anytime we buy a factory mass produced anything we run the risk of getting a bad one. When we buy a custom we don't run that risk, the rifle is built to exacting standards and tested prior to shipping and it has an accuracy guaruntee.

That's why a Tac Ops can be $4000 or a Losok is more expensive than a factory rifle.

 

[SIIaCanuck]

Sorry to hear about your rifle. Sounds like you've got the one lemon in 1000.

It probably doesn't make you feel better, but out of the box my Savage 112 30-06 shot under an inch with Prvi Partizan FMJ even when I had my eyes closed. I can still see reaming marks in the barrel when I look down the muzzle with a lamp. Once she's properly broken in (only done 40 rounds or so), I expect a nice tight group with match ammo.

If you end up selling and go for another rifle, a Savage Model 10 will see you right. It'll be ugly and you'll probably change the stock just out of principle, but it'll shoot straight enough.

Just my two bits worth.

 

[donleuschen]

Took off for the weekend.

 

[donleuschen]

I am glad I posted this topic. Got some other VTR owners in here. Bubba, I am interested very much in your offer. I will work on the photos.

Good laugh about the triangle shape.

 

[oneeyedmac]

I am glad I posted this topic. Got some other VTR owners in here. Bubba, I am interested very much in your offer. I will work on the photos.

Good laugh about the triangle shape.

You don't need to worry about photos if you don't want to. As long as you haven't beat it with a bat or on the ground it'll be fine.

 

[maro69camaro]

I am glad I posted this topic. Got some other VTR owners in here. Bubba, I am interested very much in your offer. I will work on the photos.

Good laugh about the triangle shape.

You don't need to worry about photos if you don't want to. As long as you haven't beat it with a bat or on the ground it'll be fine.

make sure to let us know what it takes to get this thing to shoot.

 

[Crooktele79]

I think you may have gotten a bad one...(it happens with mass production) I ordered a VTR in .308 and got it two weeks ago, topped it off with a leupold 4.5-14x50mm VX-3. Adjusted the trigger down to 2.5lbs and got .7 MOA groups consistently if i did my part with 168gr GMM. Changed the stock 3 days ago to a B&C tactical and have averaged .403 MOA over the four 3 shot groups I have put through it. (best group was .230 MOA and worst was .495) I believe that with a little work these rifles are capable of being consistent 1/2 MOA rifles. As everyone has said before, the stock is junk but I believe the barrel is quite nice.