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Hi everyone, First time posting here :roll: ! I've been shooting bolt action for three years, and have been making my own match grade ammo for more than two years. Everything is great, except..., I'm getting "lazier" :oops: with the equipment maintenance. I hate to clean the bore every 5 shots :x , and get my hand and gun all oily :x , and everything :x . so I've been just shooting over 50 rounds w/o cleaning the bore recently. and now, I don't even wanna do that. Can't imagine if I get an AR. I can just tell how much I will hate the cleaning process every time after I take it to the range.
But I hate to have dirty equipment, so so far, all of them are still in super clean shape, but I can tell, that I'm loosing it :evil: . Is there any other effective way to make the maitenance job easier, even some pricy options are considerable. Thanks for all suggestions. Good day, and stay safe! 8) [/b]
 

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Why, oh why, would you clean after every 5 shots, excluding break-in period?

I've put several hundred rounds through my friends DPMS without cleaning with no noticable effect on accuracy in a single session.

If your having that much copper fouling, try moly coating. Otherwise, enjoy your shoot and clean when your done.

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Hi everyone, First time posting here :roll: ! I've been shooting bolt action for three years, and have been making my own match grade ammo for more than two years. Everything is great, except..., I'm getting "lazier" :oops: with the equipment maintenance. I hate to clean the bore every 5 shots :x , and get my hand and gun all oily :x , and everything :x . so I've been just shooting over 50 rounds w/o cleaning the bore recently. and now, I don't even wanna do that. Can't imagine if I get an AR. I can just tell how much I will hate the cleaning process every time after I take it to the range.
But I hate to have dirty equipment, so so far, all of them are still in super clean shape, but I can tell, that I'm loosing it :evil: . Is there any other effective way to make the maitenance job easier, even some pricy options are considerable. Thanks for all suggestions. Good day, and stay safe! 8) [/b]
 

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If you want a quick way to clean the bore, just get a Hoppies Bore Snake. Put a little Hoppe's Number 9 on the Bore Snake then pull it through once and the barrel is very clean. I just did it to my .30-06 and it works great. Like subThermal said shoot now and enjoy and then clean.
 

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i usually shoot several hundred rounds out of my M4 Carbine before i clean it
it shoots well when i start shooting and it shoots well when i finish shooting
i usually dont clean the weapon till i get home
 

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I didn't mean to sound crass or harsh in my post.

I know several bechrest competitors that, after cleaning thier rifle, put rounds downrange to get copper in the tiny imperfections of the barrel so they have a good shooting match.

I just don't see what concivable good cleaning your weapon every 5 rounds would do, aside from making a mess and getting a migrane.

After your barrel has been broken in, you can EASILY put 150 rounds downrange, although, depending on the caliber, might award you the Masocists trophy.

I routinly put 150-400 rounds through my pistol's in single sessions without a single problem. And like Jeff said, several hundred through any AR should be fine.
 

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On a range day I will put about:

50 .308 through my Remington 700
500-1000 9mm though the mp5
100-200 through my .45

If I am feeling peppy I might clean the 700 after 25 rounds.

Ussually its just a mess when I get home :wink:

You might have problems if you shoot a few hundred rounds and come back the next week without never had cleaned your stuff but during the same day you should be fine.
 

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Thanks!

for every reply my friends! I kinda got the picture how everyone else is doing with their equipments. I guess I shouldn't had been so careful with my stuff that much. I think I'll just keep doing the 50rds cleaning for my 308. since I only fire 50 times with it each range time anyway.

actually, for the cleaning reason, I like to shoot my pistols a lot better recently. cause I can fire 2-300 rds through them then fire that much again the next day, then if i don't feel like it, I can fire that much again the next day and then clean them. but with bolt/semi rifles I've been alway careful with them, which seems totally not necessary now. :oops:

Thanks verybody! I'm going to get an AR pretty soon, if anyone has any thing to say on that one, I'd appreciate it very much! Be well, and stay safe! 8)
 

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The SOTIC training manual says at the VERY least, you have to clean your barrel every 50 rounds for the Remi 700. So you seem to be doing good enough with your .308.
 

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I would agree with not having to clean after several rounds, at least 20. However if you change ammo type or brand, I recommend you clean the barrel due to different fouling, copper consistensies and obvious natural differences in ballistics. I you truly wish to see how your firearm digests different ammo types you should clean right before you switch, otherwise you won't need to.

I also recommend you run a clean dry patch after you clean, in order to prevent mixing the cleaning solvents chemicals with your ammunition's fouling which could affect your ballistics.
 

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About the AR, I have one and have been very happy with it. The low recoil of the .223 round coupled with Stoner's buffer system makes for extremely smooth shooting. It dosn't even feel like recoil!

The gas system of the rifle is my only complaint, since it introduces all the junk from the ammo back into the action. This makes it neccessary to clean more often. I clean mine every time I shoot it (since I use it mostly for plinking, I only shoot about 50 rds. a session) and haven't had a single jam yet! In addition, I usually don't completely stip it to clean it. Just removing the bolt, cleaning the inside, and re-oiling seems to work fine for me. I only completely strip it once every three cleanings.

The accuracy of the rifle is very inpressive. I am really not a very good shooter :oops:, but I can get very good accuray from my rifle (and thats without match grade ammo or optics and in the offhand position 8) ). I own a Bushmaster and have been told that they are the best (though I couldn't tell you from experience).[/quote]
 

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Just a thought----- Has anyone ever heard of the RINO-SYSTEM for the AR? It is a conversion that turns the direct gas blowback system of the AR into a tried and true PISTON blowback system the same as the M-14 or the M-1 carbine. Increases the recoil a bit, but you don't get all that dirty crap on your bolt, or in your chamber area. I put one on a M-16 a long time ago. Worked real well. I went to the range just to see how it worked for him. He loaded a 30 rounder in it, and let lose on full auto for the whole mag. He then broke the rifle open, took the bolt assembly out and tossed it to me! I jumped back about 5 feet. I just knew that thing was going to brand me! I knew it wouldn't, I just put the system in that rifle! But I jumped back anyway! I picked up the bolt and other than the dirt from the ground, it was cool and clean!! I fired it for awhile and it was quite good. If I rember right, the guy's name is Walt Langindorfer, [don't count on the correct spelling] he is out of Penn state somewhere. Might be worth a look.
 

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Thanks

Thanks for the infor on the ARs!

Westpointranger, the gas system on the ARs would be the pain in my --- for sure. but thanks for your first hand infor.

Dr.308, I couldn't find anyinfor about the Rino-system for ARs. it sounds definitely great. I personaly haven't had any experience with semi autos that much. especialy M-14s. But I'm really into getting a Match grade semi auto rifle. I'm looking at the M21 system. they are kinda pricy, but those things last. so if they are really can out perform an AR I would definitely go with the M-14 based semis. Thanks!
 

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I want my next rifle to be a semi precision rifle. My main choices are an SVD, Panther .308 Long Range, or an M1A. I've kinda been leaning towards the Panther because I read an article about their superior accuracy. If anyone has any firsthand info on these rifles, please pass it on.
 

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OK Guys: here's the scoop

8) AR vs M1A and Prec. Rifle's

I don't know if the RINO Sys. for the AR's is still in buisness. I have the information around here somewhere, I will have to dig it up. Don't sell an accurized AR short. At the last 1000 yd comp. I attended, a guy with an AR took the service rifle catagory with one. True, it did not look like any AR I have ever handled, but it was an AR. The M1A is a great choice also. Been around a long time and hard to beat in the hands of a truly skilled marksman. The problem with both is going to be COST!!! Just the mags for an M-14 are going for around $80 apiece. But it is a truly wonderful rifle! It is very GOOD rifle to have in the M-21 config. Notice I said GOOD and not GREAT, FANTASTIC, SUPERB, CAN"T GET NO BETTER!!! Thats because you can't beat a well built bolt rifle with a semi-auto rifle. If everything is equal,[the care in building, ammo, the shooter, ect.] the bolt rifle will take it every time. Just to many moving variables in a semi. I have made and used both in my time. The M-21 was very good at ranges out to and encluding 800 meters. The M-40 was very accurate out to and including 1000 meters. I don't know about you fellows, but the further away I can get, the better I like it! So there are good points and bad points to a semi, and mostly good points to a bolt. It all depends on what you are going to use it for. I hope this has helped. Thanks for reading.
 
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