[westpointranger]

What are the details for US Army and USMC M16A2 rifle qual (eg. range, targets, time limits, ect.)?

 

[Jeff_850]

50-300m range
40 targets, given a round for each target
must nail 23 out of 40 targets or better to be a marksman
30 out of 40 targets or beter to be a sharpshooter
36 out of 40 targets or better to be an expert makrsman
your given like 3-5 seconds

 

[westpointranger]

3-5 seconds per target or in all?

 

[Jeff_850]

3-5 seconds per target or in all?

per target
they pop up randomly in various locations and your given 3-5 secs to nail em

 

[subThermal]

Watch out for the 50m fast freddy. Be quick!

 

[Yimmy]

re

What positions do you shoot from, and is there a ressi shoot?

 

[Jeff_850]

prone unsupported and standing in the fox hole

 

[Yimmy]

re

In the UK it is a bit more.

Three magazines of I think 20, 15 and 10 rounds; shooting at targets at 100, 200 and 300m's, with a ressi shoot as part of it.
I think positions include prone, standing, trench, sitting and knealing supported.... but I can't really remember.

 

[Jeff_850]

qualifiaction here is too easy but a lot of people have a hard time with it why i dont exactly understand

 

[subThermal]

'Cause a lot of recruits have never fired a rifle or any weapon before and are a little scared. I did competition shooting (300m) before I went in and didn't have a problem.

I just tried to help the guys in my plt. as much as possible with breathing, etc.

 

[muzzleblast]

Can understand that!

Even with grass week and all, I wouldnt have wanted to have to shoot 300 meters the first time I ever fired a rifle lol...

 

[mele]

USMC actually goes out to 500m and they use bullseyes and added points. Can't remember the breakdown for qualification, but I know they focus MUCH more on marksmanship than the US Army, and I prefer the USMC way of doing it

MEL

 

[muzzleblast]

I'd seen the booklet of a Marine friend, and I was impressed, it had little notes written in it like "Think center, hit center" and it looked a lot like a sniper log. Figures with wind values and sketches of the target with shot calls and POI. Even had to write 5 things that motivated him to shoot well for each session, I thought that was cool.

Does the army keep booklets like that too?

 

[Jeff_850]

USMC actually goes out to 500m and they use bullseyes and added points. Can't remember the breakdown for qualification, but I know they focus MUCH more on marksmanship than the US Army, and I prefer the USMC way of doing it

MEL

agreed
the Marine's way of doing it actually means every marine is a good marksman
cant say the same about someoen who gets 23 out of 40 at 50-300m
still its upto the individul to make what they can out of thier training

what do snipers do in sniper school with the M24 SWS and or with other weapons they might use in training ie M82A1 or SR-25, M25 etc

 

[mele]

Muzzleblast:

No, the army does nothing of the such, and the Army does not produce as many good marksmen.....

Jeff_850:

The US Army sniper school changes the qual rather often (trying to perfect it) but it consists of 300-1000 meter unknown distance, 300-700 yard moving targets, and the final shot.

MEL

 

[Jeffvn]

I'm not sure what they shoot these days, but back in the days when I hauled an M16 and/ or M40A1 for the USMC we had to qualify every year with the M16 (STA Scout / Snipers also qualified yearly with the .45). They also shot pratical fire, with the same thing that they are talking about for the army qualification - but that didn't count as your rifle qualification for the year.

You spent a week snapping in to practice your positions and get some proficiency with the sling and trigger pull, then went to the range to shoot and work the pits.

The course of fire was 200 Offhand, 300 kneeling and 500 prone slow fire (10 rounds in something like 10 minutes) and 200 rapid standing to sitting and 300 standing to prone rapid fire (10 shots in 60 seconds). Given that most M16s in that time couldn't hit the side of a barn while you stood inside one (probably holding no better than 2 MOA with the 55 grain FMJ boat tail), it made the 500 prone slowfire very interesting - especailly in the wind.

JeffVN

 

[westpointranger]

A friend of mine told me that back in WWII, GI's were trained on normal bullseye targets. The problem was that in combat they had trouble reacting to human targets becauset they weren't trained to.

Does anyone know if this is true or not?

 

[Jeff_850]

A friend of mine told me that back in WWII, GI's were trained on normal bullseye targets. The problem was that in combat they had trouble reacting to human targets becauset they weren't trained to.

Does anyone know if this is true or not?

yea ive herd that
shooting like you would in matches doesnt get you anywhere on the battlefield
you dont need t obe able to shoot thier eye out at 100y just be able to hit them at 100y faster

 

[Scatch Maroo]

50-300m range
40 targets, given a round for each target
must nail 23 out of 40 targets or better to be a marksman
30 out of 40 targets or beter to be a sharpshooter
36 out of 40 targets or better to be an expert makrsman
your given like 3-5 seconds

When you say "hit the target", how large is the area which you're trying to hit?

Also, are you using a scope or iron sights?

Scatch "Completely Ignorant" Maroo

 

[Jeff_850]

[quote="Jeff_850":2g1hco1q]50-300m range
40 targets, given a round for each target
must nail 23 out of 40 targets or better to be a marksman
30 out of 40 targets or beter to be a sharpshooter
36 out of 40 targets or better to be an expert makrsman
your given like 3-5 seconds

When you say "hit the target", how large is the area which you're trying to hit?

Also, are you using a scope or iron sights?

Scatch "Completely Ignorant" Maroo[/quote:2g1hco1q]

iron sights on the M-16, human sized silhouettes