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My first gun i shot was a 22mm sniper rifle i still have the bullets. Anyway i was just reading some them sniper records and i wondered how do they keep track of these kills or proof that they killed some one.

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Can you be more clear on the rifle you have? A 22mm rifle would be a .87 caliber.
The log book is easy to address but let's find out what type of rifle that is.
 

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ag3nt, first of all the military doesn't confirm kills for snipers for individual stats, or at least the marines don't. when the military did do that, they needed two people to go get the body and confirm it. i'm not sure if the shooter could be one of the two. i hope this helps.
 

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Scopes said:
Can you be more clear on the rifle you have? A 22mm rifle would be a .87 caliber.
That'll knock down a wall or two.

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I do not think I have heard of 22mm shells in my life.

20mm, 23mm, 25mm sure.... but 22mm?

Sure your not thinking of case length?
 

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He might mean .22.
I would think a .22 would violate the definition of a sniper rifle, would it not? And he did say it was a sniper rifle.

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No reason why you can't have a .22 sniper rifle.

The VC used snipers with silenced .22's.
 

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Instead of assuming the best lets just be honest with ourselves. He's full of ****.

See, that was easy. Now we can move on.
 

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I've read that the Israeli army snipers used Ruger 10/22's with full barrel silencers to wound leaders of street riots/protests so they would be carried off.
This was done in the hope that the leaderless crowd would dissperse.
The practice was disscontinued when it was found too many of the intended wound victims were being killed instead. :shock:
 

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Israelis wanting to wound them? Maybe, but the Israelis are some killing machines and don't give a @##$.

Post some closeup pics of this 22mm sniper round?????????????
 

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Yeah.

The Russians have a .22LR sniper rifle that was designed for close-quarters "sniping" which really defeats the purpose, but they figured out that in Grozny, helps if the rifle is quiet. It's either a SV-98 (Pretty sure that's chambered in 7.62x54R though) or the SV-99. (Pretty sure that's the .22LR rifle.)

The Israelis had a rifle in .22, I don't know if it's used anymore, but the concept was the same as the Russian SV-99. Quietly kill the Palestinians.
 

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They mothballed the 22s (Israel) or relegated them to killing dogs. They really did want them to be non lethal

They should have asked a hillbilly kid what we can do with our 22lr before they tried that one :p
 

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SV-99 is .22. The Isreali 10/22's are for dogs and other such targets.

Confirmed kills are no longer a part of the US Military, but snipers still have log books. Confirmed kills were/are different between every country and every branch of service. Just depends on what they required. Some only required observation of kill by some one of NCO or higher rank. Some required retreiving proof from the dead body, etc etc.

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I think all C/Ks in WW2 (At least on the Eastern Front), involved the spotter signing your logbook.
 

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Israelis wanting to wound them? Maybe, but the Israelis are some killing machines and don't give a @##$.
Let's sit down and think about this for a moment. What has Israel done every time they've been atacked? They've only retaliated if they reacted at all. They've never gone on an unprovoked offencive, never acted in unwaranted aggression, all they've ever done is taken up for themselves. They're fighting machines because they have to be to survive.
 

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That isn't exactly true Westpointsniper. The Israelis have struck the first blow in the past, they started one of the Arab Israeli wars, I think the war of 1967.
They also acted on the offensive during the Suez crises of 1956 alongside the Brits and French.
 

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I'm going to launch a first strike here :

I sense a political debate coming (which is fine).
1) Keep it factual
2) Keep it respectful

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Yimmy said:
The Israelis have struck the first blow in the past, they started one of the Arab Israeli wars, I think the war of 1967.
I believe you have that year correct, Yimmy. I was rather impressed that they were so capable of dismantling the armed forces of... seven nations, I believe it was? In a relatively short time.

They did argue that it was a preemptive strike to prevent an invasion on their own soil, but they did manage to occupy quite a lot of Palestinian territory for quite some time afterward (they're still there, no?). I can produce the source if necessary (don't want to dig for it lest it's demanded), but I recall a tale about an Israeli jet that 'accidently' shot a U.S. naval craft because a few NSA operatives on board happened to eavesdrop about Israel's preemptive strike...

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