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I am looking to buy my first suppressor for my Howa 308. I do not have any other platforms to host a suppressor for the time being. I have been looking at the silencerco chimera and the Deadair Sandman L. Then I realized that a suppressor could change my groups and accuracy. Thus, I come to you to recommend some suppressors that won’t affect precision or accuracy. I understand some POI shift that will have to be accounted for but what suppressors will keep my groups as tight as possible given my budget of around $1000 maximum. Thanks guys!
 

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Thunderbeast ultra 7

or ultra 9 if you ever intend to shoot magnum
 
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You will want to get something that will direct thread for the best accuracy. But you are adding weight to the end of your barrel. This is going to change your barrel harmonics. So you may need to work up a new load that takes advantage of the changed barrel harmonics. But as long as you do that, you should be fine to shoot accurately out of most suppressors at that price point.
 

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Hey guys, I’ve done some research since the start of this thread and I was really thinking about a dead air sandman s or l. Probably the L because I don’t shoot fast paced matches or anything like that. What are your thoughts? I would use this on a bolt 308 mostly with some usage on a 16” 223 Wylde AR. I want something durable but with good sound reduction and I certainly want to keep my accuracy. I looked at ThunderBeast but they are hard to find in stock and my local dealer doesn’t carry them.
 

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You are going to wait about a year for the paperwork to clear anyway. What is another month or so to get it in stock?

If thunderbeast has it in stock, then your dealer can get it within about a week.

What state are you in?
 

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I am in Kentucky.

I saw little review on the thunder beast on youtube. However, the dead air had great reviews. Is the thunder beast as durable as the dead air in regards to holding up on an AR platform. Almost everything I saw were bolt guns. I realize they are precision made cans, but i would like something usable across all my threaded rifle platforms. I do have intentions to upgrade from 308 eventually, so I am considering a ultra 9 and sandman l. Would anyone advise against these? I really don't see a downfall in the 9" length-maybe thats due to inexperience. Let me know your thoughts on picking 7" vs 9" with precision shooting as a main purpose but having other uses as well in mind.
 

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Here's the deal.

If you want a car that you can take to the drag strip, carry a family, haul lumber, and pull a trailer...you can probably find an option. However it will not do any of those things well.

If you want a rifle that will be suitable at 1500 yards, deep woods deer hunting, plinking, and squirrel hunting you can probably find an option, but it will not do any of those things well.

If you want a suppressor that will work for precision 308, Precision magnum, and 223 mag dumps you will probably find an option, but it will not do any of these things well.

According to your first post, you only currently have one host for this suppressor. It is a Precision 308. Now, for precision 308 there is only one truly good option for material and that is titanium. It is lightweight and will cause the least poi change. Titanium however is not good for the high temps produced by 223 mag dumps...and suppressors that can handle mag dumps are not great for precision shooting.

Now, if precision 308 is the only rifle you will ever shoot this on, then I would go with a thunderbeast ultra 7 with brake attach. It is lightweight, very precise, and short (7"). The ONLY compromise I would make to this is to go with an ultra 9 with the idea of shooting a magnum at some point. The ultra 9 will be slightly heavier and 2" longer, but still manageable as I ran a 9" can for several years on my 308. I don't believe you will be happy with the lack of precision found in cans rated for full auto. I also don't believe you will be happy with the sound management of a 308 can on a 223...although it does work.

My advice. Buy the can that best fits your needs now, and then buy another when the need arises. Can's are like guns. You can't own just one. If you buy one you will buy more in the future. If you compromise on the first can, then you will be replacing it in the future.
 

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One thing I failed to mention is I have picked up a 223 wylde chambered AR since the first post back in July. I use it to shoot some precision as well, though the main shooter is still the Howa 308.

I am not looking for something to mag dump. That doesn't entertain me-ammo aint cheap and its not fun. I do understand a dedicated 223/556 suppressor will sound better than a 30 cal can on a 223. My main purpose is precision shooting and that is the purpose for this suppressor. I just want to make a solid first purchase of a suppressor since there is no simple way to sell a suppressor and buy the other one.

I guess one thing I failed to articulate well, is why I am recommended the 7" when sound suppression seems better on 9". Due to inexperience, I don't see the weight and maneuverability being an issue on a dedicated sit down and shoot gun. Are you saying the extra 2" of weight could/would affect the precision of the rifle?

Sorry to be so complicated-I just want to make a thorough and informed decision.
 

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ultra 7 vs ultra 9 will not make an accuracy difference. They are equally precise cans. Maneuverability is the main difference. I know 2" doesn't sound like much, but it makes a difference. The sound of the 308 through ultra 7 vs ultra 9 is almost indistinguishable. the ultra 9 shines with magnum calibers.

an ultra 7 or ultra 9 in 30 cal will work with a 223 AR for precision. You can even get a 1/2-28 brake for the suppressor so that you won't have to use adapters. It will be louder than a dedicated 223 can, but will work fine for precision as long as you don't get it too hot. That goes with ANY titanium can.

If you are going to be changing rifles much at all, then be sure to get the brake attach. I only use brake attach cans now as they work so well. (thunderbeast brake attach that is. Other brands are VERY hit/miss as far as precision through brake attach cans).
 
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I got an TB Ultra 338 which is 10.5" long, because I intended to use it for a 300 Norma Mag. I got the integrated muzzle breaks and I put them on my 6.5CM and my 308 so I could use the suppressor on them as well. Most of my shooting is target except in the fall and then it's hunting. I'll be taking my 308 hunting suppressed for the first time this year. I suspect the Can will be a bit long to deal with. I still hunt in a blind so I don't think it'll be an issue, but if it is I'll just take the can off.

As far as the performance of the brake, both the 6.5CM and the 308 Win sound like a loud bull whip crack, which is a far cry from the sound un-suppressed.

I will say this, the recoil from a suppressed rifle, IN MY EXPERIENCE, is a little weird. its kind of a push pull kind of minor nudge.

I had a very minor POI shift that was almost imperceptible on both my 6.5CM and my 308 using my can.
 

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Griffin Armament is known for minimal POI shift. I run their dedicated Recce 5, they have a plethora of dedicated .30 cal options for direct thread or taper mount
 

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Check out the rugged lineup of suppressors. Can handle and AR or bolt gun while maintaining top tier precision. These are QD suppressors but the mounting system with the dual locking rings are very good.
 

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I have learned via the school of hard knocks that my Thunderbeast seems to work very well for my bolt weapons, but not so well with ARs. The bolt carriers on my big bore gas guns got really dirty fast using my Thunderbeast. I also got what appeared to be some pressure signs if the form of pretty hefty scratches on the bases of the spent cases. I thought I was going to get one can and use it for all my sticks well I was wrong with a capital W.

I would appreciate some insight into what brands of cans would work well with 65 CM and 308 win AR platforms.
 
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