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What is the best special force in the world.

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Maybe Delta Force should be listed instead of Green Berets?

Anyway, my pick is JTF 2 :lol:
 

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You have missed about another 20-40 that should be on the list. Force Recon, Delta, Para-rescue(PJ's), Spetznev (spelling), Arctic Rangers, etc etc etc. The other big missing thing is what mission are you talking about, and how is one suppose to determine if one group is better than the next? Each SOF has a different speciality with a different mission. Of course PJ's are much better at resueing a down pilot than say the Green Berets are.... but then again, PJ's cannot organize a guerrilla(sp) resistance..... kind of see what I'm saying?

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Special force should be able to do everything. Like FSK, and yes it is plenty of good special force! But who is best overall? The US special force are no good in Norway! FSK are kick theirs ass every time. The SAS are extremely good to!
 

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i personally think delta force is the best sf organization....then again...it also depends on the mission too.


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Well...


I aint in the Military yet and I am not striving to do SF. But I do want to do Recon in the Corps (not FR) but first I want experience as a Marine 0300 first.

You sure did miss a lot of SF, the 75th Ranger Regiment, Spetznez?, French Foreign Legion, etc. But know my opinion? Each SF unit is proficent in conventional and unconventional combat operations above the standard infantry. But each SF unit is better than the other in a certain (field). Again this is my opinon. My eyes won't be opend untill I get in the Corps though.
 

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I really don't see what the big fuss is with "special forces", at the end of the day they are only human like the est of us. The only thing which really makes them special is that they get to play with all the gucci toys, get more training opportunities and get a large amount of funding for their size.

Not that I am saying their selection courses are not hard as Hell, but I would rather be part of a platoon or troop than operate with perhaps 3 other people any day.
 

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Vlad said:
Special force should be able to do everything. Like FSK, and yes it is plenty of good special force! But who is best overall? The US special force are no good in Norway! FSK are kick theirs ass every time. The SAS are extremely good to!
Despite your location being stated as "Unknown," it's obvious where your loyalties lie: if you want to start an argument for the Norwegian special forces, start by listing their training, the missions they have accomplished, etc. to demonstrate that they are an all-around superior force.

Training competitions are incomparable to actual missions, because no matter how you design them (competitions), you will always lack the life/death variables and the fundamental aspect of stress that accompanies it.

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Yeah, JTF2 :p
 

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A couple of points here. First off Mel has a good point and I agree 100 % It is mission depandant. For instance in 1989 in Panama they sent SEAL's in to do a Ranger Mission and it didn't go well.

Second in the US armed forces There is a big diffrence between Special Forces and Special Operational Forces. Special Forces (SF) are commonly known as Breen Berets. Their Primary Mission is advisory work, teaching foreign troops, interacting with with civiilans and orginizing gurilla/countergurilla forces. These all go hand in hand. The course is a 3 phase course called the Q course or qualification course taught at the John F Kennedy Special Warfare Center and School at Ft Bragg NC.

Special Operation Forces are the units that fall under the command of Joint Special Operations at McDill Air Force Base in Florida. These include Army Special Forces, Army Rangers, Army Civil Affairs, Army Psy Ops, Air Force Commando's, Air Force PJ's, Navel Special warefare (SEALS and others). This command does NOT fall under the command of the Pentagon. The chain of command is the President of the US, the Secratery of Defense then JSOC. The pentagon is out of the loop. (or used to be)


Notice the USMC Force Recon is not there. The USMC does not like the idea of special operations or putting marines unsder a non marine commander, so did not. This is where SOC units came from. They train to the higher standers of SOF, but are NOT under their command. I have heard this MAY have changed, but can not confirm this.


So when refering to Special Operation Forces as Special Forces is a mistake, and some folks do get a little upset at the mislabeling. Also all of these forces have diffrent specialties, with overlapping skills. It's not that one is better or more important than the other. All are needed and of equal importance.

I'll get off my soap box now.
 

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man i do agree that norway has some majorly pimpen SFs, but theyre primarily mountain warfare and extreme cold warfare, contrary to urban and naval settings they are horrible in


but yes i think everyone would agree theres a situation where youd rather have rangers than Force Recon, and vise versa, personaly i would not want a ranger rescueing me from sea, just as much as i wouldnt want a SEAL helping me on a land manuever/rescue

(thats just an example to show my point)
 

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I really don't see what the big fuss is with "special forces", at the end of the day they are only human like the est of us. The only thing which really makes them special is that they get to play with all the gucci toys, get more training opportunities and get a large amount of funding for their size.

Not that I am saying their selection courses are not hard as Hell, but I would rather be part of a platoon or troop than operate with perhaps 3 other people any day.
You sound like the conventional military. The people in Special Operations are screened both mentally and physically for the task in their area. While the occasional person does slip through the cracks, it is rare and they don't last long. On the other hand in the standard military many people are not suited for the task at hand. I don't mean to look down on anyone that serves their country, or attempts to. I admire them for that. But in all honesty there are lots of people in the military that are not top performers. That is why everything in the military is simplified to the best they can. In special ops, those people are held to a higher standard.
 

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But in all honesty there are lots of people in the military that are not top performers. That is why everything in the military is simplified to the best they can. In special ops, those people are held to a higher standard.
very true
battle buddy, mr 17 on his ASVAB, no matter how many times i tried to show him how to do something, the Drills trying to show him the same thing, smoking him, treating him civil while trying to show him, he couldnt do it, but he will probably end up graduating and sent to his unit who will have to deal with him
they will probably chapter out those 'special' people or make him the First Sergeant's bitch or a gear guard
the one advantage of special forces is none of those people would preform poorly like that, everyone is hi-speed or they wont even make it to Special Forces in the first place, only the super hi-speed pass
i might try out for National Guard SF after i get my degree for now ill stay in the infantry and hope no idiots make thier way into the scout platoon
 

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Please take no offence to this as I mean it only as an honest question.

When has Norway's special forces last seen battle?
 

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Please take no offence to this as I mean it only as an honest question.

When has Norway's special forces last seen battle?
Norway's special forces all theirs mission is secret.

In December 2001 the force, in Afghanistan.
2002=Afghanistan ++
2003=Afghanistan ++
2004=Afghanistan ++
and in 2005.=Afghanistan
everything before 2002 is secert.
The us army have ask FSK of help(again).
 

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This will get good..........another my $0.02 vs your $0.02. Lets keep it clean.

Edit: As MEL will agree I think the Jedi force it the most powerfull
 

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Given these choices I go for the SAS as I am aware they have a long and distinguished record to date, but agree that it is unrealistic to single out a "best" special or elite force.

I have respect for any military force which attains excellence in combat but particularly for those who specialise in it.

My list would include;

historic
Long Range Desert Group, Selous Scouts and Royal Marine Comandos..... dating back to the 1700's ( probably irrelevant as two of them are no longer "in the world")

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Special Boat Squadron, SAS units of the British commonwealth, Delta Force, Navy Seals and the Rangers.
 

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Gotta vote for my old "Alma Mater", GREEN BERETS!!! :twisted: I would NEVER have settled for 2nd best!! :wink:...And in SOG, we were the BEST OF THE BEST OF THE BEST!!!!! Don't believe me, just ask any one of us! :D

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Skipping all the posts... i will say one thing. You left out about 25 to 30 units. And "Green Beret" and "Delta" are the same thing... Delta is simply the Army's anti terrorism unit in the SF group's.

To summerize the answer.... there is not a single "best" unit. Every unit has there specialties... one of them can not do the job of another as good as the other.

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Skipping all the posts... i will say one thing. You left out about 25 to 30 units. And "Green Beret" and "Delta" are the same thing... Delta is simply the Army's anti terrorism unit in the SF group's.

To summerize the answer.... there is not a single "best" unit. Every unit has there specialties... one of them can not do the job of another as good as the other.

BC
Actually BC Delta is NOT the same as SF. While the name 1st SFODA was ment to give that impression it is not the same unit. SF go to a 3 phase Q course and have a diffrent structure than Delta. Delta was patterned off of the British SAS and has the same unit structure. Selection is completly diffrent than SF and they train in the unit after selection. They tried to use SF as a CT force in the late 70's and early 80's but it did not work out. The unit was called Blue Light and was within the SF command etc. Both units have some cross over missions, but are diffrent units.
 
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