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Molle gear sucks. After one field op the fram broke on me. There isn't near the amount of storage that the old Alice rucksack has. After a while our company allowed us to use whatever gear we wanted so I swtiched over to the Alice ruck and never looked back. When our molle packs had a full load the frames usually bent in half. When the USMC got the molle gear it was a mistake that shouldn't have been made. But that's just my opinion.
 

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BlackHawk SOF RUCK

It's bigger, stronger, more efficient, and the choice of the warrior elite. The BHI SOF Ruck is HydraStorm® Hydration System Compatible. It features ten gear pouches with cinch draw strings and quick release buckles on the lids.


-Made of 1000 denier NyTaneon®
-Cinch top inner liner for rain/gear protection
-HydraStorm® tube routing system and easy external access pouch
-Fits standard A.L.I.C.E. Ruck Frame (not included)

Approximate Weight
5lb 14.4oz.



Dimensions:
23 x 10 x 14
inner main compartment
Cubes: 3220 - main compartment 5825 - with pouches and main compartment

The nice thing about this ruck is when I want to drop some weight or leave something behind all I have to do is take some of the pouches off. I have had this ruck for a while and put it through alot of abuse like ruck runs, floating it etc. It's a good ruck one that will last you forever.
 

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USMCsniperSEAL said:
Wanted to see who stays old school Alice or new age Molle????

For me its Molle internal frame ruck issued by the USMC.
I still kick-it old-school with an ALICE for jumps, but I have a Tactical Tailor MALICE2 that I deploy with. Not that I ever live outta my rucksack anymore...
 

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I have 2 Dana Design packs. One is an external for large loads, the other is internal for short light trips. That is if I got my fat a-- into the hills anymore.
 

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NastyNate4469 said:
Molle gear sucks. After one field op the fram broke on me.
What an interesting connection to make...That's like me saying, "all cars suck because my Chevrolet threw a rod."

Just which make/model pack are you judging all MOLLE gear by anyway?

NastyNate4469 said:
There isn't near the amount of storage that the old Alice rucksack has.
Again, I'm not sure how the heck you can be so bold to say something like that. You're comparing two different things: storage capacity and organizational capability. I can list several MOLLE packs that have WAY more storage space than the large ALICE pack. The Kifaru EMR and MMR come to mind, and I'm sure a few other gear whores here can list one or two too.

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But that's just my opinion.
And you're allowed to have it. Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to tell you MOLLE is the best thing since sliced bread. But you're comparing things that cannot be compared and making false assumptions, then proceeding to preach to the rest of us how MOLLE sucks.

For what it's worth, I have many packs, including ALICE rigs, civilian rigs and some Kifaru, Tactical Tailor, Eagle, BDS/SOE, Spec-Ops and Camelbak MOLLE gear. After doing much backpacking with big, open compartment bags like ALICE and some civilian packs, I have found that MOLLE affords a considerable amount more flexibility, organization and even spacial expansion capability--something other packs can't really do very elegantly.

Granted, this would be considered my opinion by some, but it's pretty much fact. I'm sorry if you had bad luck with whatever it was you had, but you'd be hard pressed to tear up a pack by a good manufacturer using 1000 Denier waterproofed Cordura nylon, Delrin extreme cold/heat-proof buckles, all double and triple stitched together using 92F thread sealed with waterproof binding tape. Add to that, a good manufacturer like most of those I listed above, will have a lifetime guarantee.

From what you've said, I highly doubt you had gear from any of my above listed manufacturers. And no, Blackhawk doesn't cut it if that's who you purchased your pack from. Most, if not all, of Blackhawk's stuff is made overseas and very often with lesser quality materials.
 

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I had whatever MOLLE gear the Marine Corps gave me. I think I got the 1st and then later we swapped out for the latest MOLLE system junk later on. I wouldn't buy any pack that was going to be used for tactical operations that had a plastic frame. With the amount of gear we were required to take with us it just wasn't a wise choice of material. Don't get me wrong MOLLE is great because you can customize where pouches and things go but for me that's about it.

Recoil My opinion is based on the gear that the Marine Corps provided for me. I used the MOLLE gear over 2 years before we were able to choose our one gear systems. The frames constantly broke, and there was never enough space. Also with the daypack sitting on top of the main gear bag it made it very difficult to lift without help. Not great things when getting shot at or not near anywhere to get things replaced.

And I'm not preaching to anyone. I'm stating that I think MOLLE gear that I used sucks, as it did for me. So need to try and come off all high and mighty. I'm entitled to my opnion no matter how bold or wrong you think it is. I think I spent enough field time with my gear to know what worked for me and what didn't, and the MOLLE stuff didn't. :wink:
**But I guess I can forgive you since you're from Iowa and I used to live there.** :lol:
 

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NastyNate4469 said:
And I'm not preaching to anyone. I'm stating that I think MOLLE gear that I used sucks, as it did for me. So need to try and come off all high and mighty. I'm entitled to my opnion no matter how bold or wrong you think it is. I think I spent enough field time with my gear to know what worked for me and what didn't, and the MOLLE stuff didn't. :wink:
Ah, but you didn't state that just the MOLLE gear you used sucked, you said all MOLLE gear sucked:

NastyNate4469 said:
Molle gear sucks.
See?

And because of that blanket statement, I made my response--that it is categorically untrue that all MOLLE gear sucks, and that you cannot judge the entire design based on whatever crap you had, and that you should try purchasing a rig from a quality manufacturer like Kifaru. Buy yourself any Kifaru pack and report back to me that it sucks. I challenge you. And if you do tell me it sucks, I'll soon show you a liar who doesn't want to lose a bet. :wink:

So, if you don't want me coming off "high and mighty" (I can't help it, I'm big and strong :lol:), say what you mean and mean what you say...And especially don't compare apples and oranges. :p

For what it's worth, the stuff the Marines gave you was probably first generation MOLLE. In other words, MOLLE was still new and experimental. This is just a guess though, as I don't know when you served, however as it's been said above, the modern rendition of MOLLE packs--both civilian and military--are significantly better than early versions (assuming you buy quality merchandise).

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**But I guess I can forgive you since you're from Iowa and I used to live there.** :lol:
Hehe, Iowa ain't so bad. Granted, it's not my favorite, but after having traveled to 75% of the states in the Union, I can confidently say that Iowa is definitely in the top 10% of places to live when comparing the people, job market, housing costs, taxes, laws, and general standard of living.

Having said that though, the wife and I are planning on moving to Montana in a few years so I can legally carry a sawed-off shotgun in a thigh rig around town (just kidding :wink: :lol:).
 

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Here is the new USMC ILBE rucksack. The only problem was with the patrol pack. If carrying a Prc-119 and gear you don't have the room and if your ruck was maxed out with crap and your patrol pack as well. Then putting on the pack made it very interesting. But the main pack itself is very nice. I would bet Kifaru could make a better one though.

Main Ruck http://www.arcteryx.com/leaf/tango_pack.asp

Patrol Pack http://www.arcteryx.com/leaf/charlie_pack.asp
 

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That new stuff looks like the packs we got whenver we went to Bridgeport for cold weather training. Those packs were really comfy. I almost went with one of those instead of the ruck. I don't really know why I went with the ruck but it worked. I wish I could have gone with a nice kelty pack. I had one of those back in the days of boy scouts and thing was so comfy on our hiking trips we took to Colorado and New Mexico.
 

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I like that charlie pack. I'm looking for a patrol pack... anyone know pricing? Or have other alternatives they like for patrol sized packs?

MEL
 

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The charlie pack is $125 from ADS, only colors available were black and olive though:

http://www.ads-onlinestore.com/Merchant ... HS7AGRU7RU

I currently use the Marauder from Kifaru. I would definately classify it was a light scouting pack with great options. The Kifaru scout pack was used by my buddy on patrols and he loved it. It let him comfortably lay his secondary weapon on top for short duration patrols. He had it rigged with a quick detach sling, was pretty ingenious of him.

The Marauder and scout cost $283 and $174 respectivly.

http://www.kifaru.net/MGhome.htm
 

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mele said:
Or have other alternatives they like for patrol sized packs?

MEL
I have a Lowe Alpine chute II for a "patrol" type pack. Not it isn't a fantastic camo color etc, but it is probably better fit and comfort than most "military type" packs. The backpacking world demands light weight and durability while doing "extreme sports. The civilan world has passed up the military whan it comes to packs. I bough mine at Northern Mountain Supply. Their retail store in where I live, but they do mostly mail order and internet. Look in their sale area, I goy mine for about $40.00 on sale.

www.northernmountain.com
 

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This may be a bit off the topic but i do have a good question for you guys. I'm not LE, or military, however, I am very big into hunting. Most of my trips are just day trips and not venturing into the really nasty stuff, well except for elk hunting....but thats a different story. The majority of the time it is deer and bird hunting. Personally i HATE backpacks, and i hate the way they distribute weight. As far as 1 day adventures go, what is everyones opinion of going more with an assault style vest? Granted i wont be wearing any kevlar and the like, nor will i be carrying grenades or M16 clips, however, with the sheer amount of pockets some of these things have i could easily fit everything I need for my typical hunts, rope, compass, extra ammo, sidearm, ect ect. I have also seen a few that have pockets for hydration bladders, which is a huge plus. What is everyones opinion of doing this? As well as how are they load bearing wise? IOW how well do they distribute weight for comfort? I'm always searching for something good to carry all the gear I need that is still very comfortable after having it on all day, as well as being QUIET. Even though im only 21, my back is pretty well shot (compression fracture at L1, bulging disk between L1 and L2, straightening of the spine in lumbar and neck, beginning of disk degeneration, this is just to illustrate the issue at hand) so its tough to find something that will distribute the weight well, and evenly, be very comfortable, and quiet, and i can tolerate wearing it for an entire day while hiking all over gods creation in some less than enjoyable terrain. Thoughts? Suggestions? I have never even been able to try on a tactical style vest so i really dont know how it would suit my purpose
 

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MTWrangler4x4 said:
This may be a bit off the topic but i do have a good question for you guys. I'm not LE, or military, however, I am very big into hunting. Most of my trips are just day trips and not venturing into the really nasty stuff, well except for elk hunting....but thats a different story. The majority of the time it is deer and bird hunting. Personally i HATE backpacks, and i hate the way they distribute weight. As far as 1 day adventures go, what is everyones opinion of going more with an assault style vest? Granted i wont be wearing any kevlar and the like, nor will i be carrying grenades or M16 clips, however, with the sheer amount of pockets some of these things have i could easily fit everything I need for my typical hunts, rope, compass, extra ammo, sidearm, ect ect. I have also seen a few that have pockets for hydration bladders, which is a huge plus. What is everyones opinion of doing this? As well as how are they load bearing wise? IOW how well do they distribute weight for comfort? I'm always searching for something good to carry all the gear I need that is still very comfortable after having it on all day, as well as being QUIET. Even though im only 21, my back is pretty well shot (compression fracture at L1, bulging disk between L1 and L2, straightening of the spine in lumbar and neck, beginning of disk degeneration, this is just to illustrate the issue at hand) so its tough to find something that will distribute the weight well, and evenly, be very comfortable, and quiet, and i can tolerate wearing it for an entire day while hiking all over gods creation in some less than enjoyable terrain. Thoughts? Suggestions? I have never even been able to try on a tactical style vest so i really dont know how it would suit my purpose
I wear one at work all day. There are good and bad points to them. It does distrubute the weight more evenly, and you can thighten it up to give some back support, however it does put the weight in front of you insted of behind you. That may or may not be better for your back, eveyone is diffrent. Aslo on hot days it is warmer than a backpack. If you tighten it down for support it can limit some movement and decrease chest expantion when breathing thus causing you to tire a little more easly. You just have to try one to see if it works for you.

Another idea is to get the old style military pistol belt and put on a butt pack and canteens. that puts the weight on your hips and keeps it off your back. Also cheaper than a quality vest I am sure.
 

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Go over to Cheaper Than Dirt or a military surplus store and pick up an inexpensive LBV like you're talking about. Then, of course, try it out! If you like the concept, buy something nicer later. If you don't like it, oh well, you're not out a fat wad of cash for some uber-tactical super elite Special Forces MOLLE vest.

As John said, you could try using a belt system. I'd add a set of suspenders though, as all that weight on your hips will mess up your back after awhile too. Lower back problems are common in cops for this very reason.

Where backpacks are concerned though, I've gotta name drop for Kifaru again. Seriously. You'd be hard pressed to find a better fitting pack. If you can find someone with one to try out, do it! I know they're expensive, but it's worth it.
 
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