[mele]

Okay, I'm looking for opinions on the two stocks shown here:

PSC15

PST60


Along the same lines, the PSC15 is based on an ADL action, while the PST60 is for a BDL. For those of you that have hinged floor plates, how important is it to you? For those of you that do NOT have a hinged floor plate, how bad do you want one?

I'm looking for any comments on the stocks and the ADL vs BDL

Thanks
MEL

 

[badshot]

I like the thumbhole design simply because its an eye catcher. I also like it because of the BDL hinged floor plate. All I have are BDL's and i really like being able to unload when i get back to the truck without having to cycle each shell through the chamber. It's much nicer (and safer) to be able to pop that floor plate and unload into my hand and then just have to clear the one shell from the chamber.

That is my own personal 2 pieces of lint since I dont know what 2 cents look like.

 

[Jeffvn]

I like the look of the PSC-15, but since its an ADL, I would pass altogether. I have an ADL on my A-4 Custom swap barrel, and will be spending the extra to send it back to McMillan for inletting and then install new bottom metal for the BDL. ADL = pain in the butt if for some reason you need to unload the internal magazine.

 

[subThermal]

I dont mind either BDL or ADL. Cycling the bolt back once or twice does not bother me the slightest, since I do it downrange. Not that it matters most of the time, I will shoot out all the ammo.

I've had both BDLs, and Mod 70's randomly unlatch themselves though, not sure why. I would say it is totaly customer preference. Anyone can get an ADL turned into a BDL for roughly the same price, and better components.

 

[mele]

In terms of safety, the ADL's bolts can be cycled with the safety in the safe position, but I still understand the concern. I guess another thing to consider, a rifle based on the PST60 (BDL) would be between $75-$100 more then the rifle based on the PSC15.

MEL

 

[subThermal]

If you can make a tac driver for 900 or under, BDL or not, your gonna have buyers.

150 for a Montana Rifleman barrel. 295 for HS PST59. Thats 450 without an action, pretty good. Add bout 300 for a used 700, and your only missing some cheap gunsmithing.

 

[mele]

Sub,

Oh how I wish I could find a 700 for $300!! I used to be able to, but not any longer, even ADL's are going for $350, and to top it off, short actions are far more rare then long actions.... it can be frustrating at times. Its almost just better to buy a new ADL from walmart for $380. Occasionally you can find a deal on a long action for $300, but its generally a pretty abused rifle.

But you are right about the price. My original target was sub $1000, I might be very close with the PSC15, but certainly not with the PTS60.

MEL

 

[subThermal]

Why a long action? I would think if you want to cater to a more expense minded person, I.E. want the most bang for your buck, I would stick with the .308 instead of a larger, more expensive caliber.

I liken it to buying a ford ranger, and shoving a V8 under the hood with a 6-71 supercharger. But the person cant afford to pay for H.O. gas.

It's obviously your call and all, but if your going for a budget minded rifle, try to get it chambered for budget minded ammo.

 

[Jeffvn]

Mel I know you've probably thought of this anyway, but have you tried calling a doing a dealer direct price with Wallmart? They bulk sell at a discount - I have no idea how many you would need to jump on, but if you can get a price break it may be worth the effort. just my $0.2.

JeffVN

 

[mele]

Jeffvn,

Thanks for the idea, I can check into it....

Sub,

I think you mis understood what I was saying. I HAVE to have a short action, I was saying that occasionally you can find a long action for $300 but almost never a short action, they are just far more rare. They don't bring in any more money then a long action, but they are just much harder to find, especially used ones at a low price.

Everyone else:

I'm still looking for opinions. Would a $1000 Rifle based on the PSC15 and no floor plate be more appealing then a $1100 rifle based on the PST60 with a floor plate??? Accuracy would be the same.

MEL

 

[Bead Drawer]

I'd have to say the PST60 for overall usefullness. I think the BDL floorplate is a nice thing to have. From the pictures alone, it seems the PSC15 may not have sling swivel studs, a major problem. Wouldn't it be easier to clean the magazine box if you had a floorplate? I don't know for sure, I've never fired a rifle without a floorplate. $100 is a fairly minor difference in this price range.

That said, I prefer the looks of the PSC15, and the issue of unloading an ADL doesn't bother me. Also manipulating the safety would be less cumbersome on the PSC15, because of the lack of a thumbhole. The PSC15 would also give the SC2 a very distinctive look, kind of seperate it from the crowd.

Perhaps the PST60A is worth considering. It is considerably more expensive, but offers adjustable LOP and an adjustable cheekpiece.

Just some food for thought, I voted for the PST60 on the poll.

 

[TOPO-sniper]

I still cannot get my mind around a thumb-hole stock. In sniper school I was taught NEVER to put your trigger hand thumb around the pistol grip of the stock. Anyone else ever hear that?

Being able to empty the mag w/o cycling each round would be nice, but "affordable tack driver" would probably override that want. Whatever you get the best price on probably rules.

 

[Bead Drawer]

TOPO - I was taught to never curl the shooting hand thumb around the stock as well.

Mel- if you're looking for a good bullet for the ammo, perhaps consider this from Barnes' Triple Shock X Bullet Line:

Dia Weight Type SD BC Order no.
.264" 130 gr. TSX FB .266 .479 26442

Its a flat base, but the non-conventional construction yields ridiculously high BCs compared to lead core ammo, and its a hollowpoint to boot.

Just a thought.

 

[mele]

Thanks for the comments so far, I'm still interested in hearing more.

The PSC15 can be had with swivel studs, so I'm okay there.

In terms of the bullets I'm looking at, I like the following

Lapua 123gr Scenar HPBT BC = .547
Lapua 139gr Scenar HPBT BC = .615
Lapua 108gr Scenar HPBT BC = .478

The 123gr is the one I'm leaning toward the most.

MEL

 

[Bead Drawer]

ah I forgot about Lapua bullets, disregard my last post. :roll: