Never had any complaints when I've used them. In my case I've got good access to CCI and then Fed, so I tend to stick with them but if the Rem's were all I could get then I'd use them.

 

They are good primers in my opinion.

 

If I had to rate large rifle primers, at least for use in a .308 Win cartridge, the line-up would be:

Federal 210 GM
Winchester WLR
CCI 34
Federal 210
CCI 200
Remington 9 1/2
CCI BR2

 

If I had to rate large rifle primers, at least for use in a .308 Win cartridge, the line-up would be:

Federal 210 GM
Winchester WLR
CCI 34
Federal 210
CCI 200
Remington 9 1/2
CCI BR2

Would you please explain your basis for rating them in this order. Very curious.

 

I have used them in both my 7mm Rem and 300 wby. They are good primers. Never had one fail to fire and produced sub half minute groups with them.

 

If I had to rate large rifle primers, at least for use in a .308 Win cartridge, the line-up would be:

Federal 210 GM
Winchester WLR
CCI 34
Federal 210
CCI 200
Remington 9 1/2
CCI BR2

Would you please explain your basis for rating them in this order. Very curious.

Wondering the same thing.

 

My comment was based on a test performed by Gary Sciuchetti for an article that appeared in the Dec/Jan issue of Handloader Magazine.

Using identical components with the exception being the primers, Mr. Scuichetti loaded 20 rounds each of .308 Win cartridges using Federal brass, 168 gr Berger Match bullets, and 45 gr of Varget powder and the primers listed.

He then fired four, five round groups at 100 yards and compared the group sizes. The overall average group sizes were as follows:

Federal 210 GM: 0.4844"
Winchester WLR: 0.5156"
CCI #34: 0.6094"
Federal 210: 0.6250"
CCI 200: 0.6719"
Remington 9 1/2: 0.7344"
CCI BR-2: 0.7500"

Granted 0.2656â€

 

Thanks for explaining your reasons...much appreciated.

I too read that article and found it very informative. In fact, I've pointed a few people to it as an excellent example of how to develop a load. It's very good for people just starting out.

That said, to draw a general conclusion that all of the brands mentioned will perform for all loads developed for all rifles in all calibers in a similar manner is incorrect. The article gives one specific situation and from that you have made a generalization. That's faulty logic.

A more valid but still limited way of showing which primers are better (as if that could ever be defined) would be to look at which ones are used in competition. The most used would be placed at the top with lesser used ones going down the list. The list would also have to be weighted for how successful the shooters were. Given enough time (data) a trend might be developed showing some primer being more successful than another.

Bottom line is that this question cannot be answered definitively..yet. However, the original question can be....Remington primers are certainly usable.

 

Did he shoot 30 five-round groups with each primer? If not, there is no statistical significance to the data.

How many times were the cartridges fired before tested? Where in the cleaning cycle was he? Were they all of the same lot? Were bullets and powder of the same lot?

Also note, because it worked in one rifle, doesn't mean its the same for all rifles.

 

100yd groups also do not take ES or SD into accout (since differences in velocity are often less problematic at 100yds). I've found the CCI BR-2's to be very good in many cartridges especialy at long range (perhaps they're more consistant??). If you were to use different powder, the test results would likely be very different as well.

The results of that test are good to know though.

 

Another CCI BR-2's user here. I've also used CCI #200 & #250 (Magnum) with good results. I wouldn't be afraid of the Rem. 9 1/2's though. Hey, these days consider yourself lucky to find any at all! Worst case, you may have to adjust your load somewhat. It shouldn't be a drastic difference.

 

Did he shoot 30 five-round groups with each primer? If not, there is no statistical significance to the data.

How many times were the cartridges fired before tested? Where in the cleaning cycle was he? Were they all of the same lot? Were bullets and powder of the same lot?

Also note, because it worked in one rifle, doesn't mean its the same for all rifles.

I wish more people thought like you do.

 

Well, you guy's certainly have spare change in your pocket. I got everyone's two cents on this one. I would like to thank everyone that took the time to read and reply.

I was asking because I wanted to mimick the Fedearl Match load. It calls for Fed 210's but all I could find is Rem 9 1/2's Shoot now I'm having trouble finding certain 308 bullets. But thats for another thread. Again everyone, Thank you.

 

thanks guys for all the information AGAIN. I ran across 1000 210M's at Gander Mountain yesterday. Today I am going to get my small pistol primers from another one 30 miles in the other direction.

 

Did he shoot 30 five-round groups with each primer? If not, there is no statistical significance to the data.

How many times were the cartridges fired before tested? Where in the cleaning cycle was he? Were they all of the same lot? Were bullets and powder of the same lot?

Also note, because it worked in one rifle, doesn't mean its the same for all rifles.

I wish more people thought like you do.