My 30-06 is a badass rifle for hunting but the caliber kicks pretty hard..i think i jerk or something. my group is about 6 inch circle at 100 yrds how do i make it a smaller group?? like a shooting technique or something?
olson
Well just to feel qualified to help, my father was offered to be on the 1st Olympic Biathlon team for the US, such that shooting since I was 4 I was always going to be shooting right.
1.Slow down- Rounds dont matter where they go if they don't hit their target.
2.Squeeze- Make sure you aren't pulling or snapping the trigger.
3.Know your sights- High? Low? Are you putting your target in the right spot for your sight?
4.Follow through (helps with flinch a ton)- Ater each shot practice not pulling the rifle away from yourself. Ideally,you can easily see where your round landed through your glass, or just over your Iron sight as the recoil ends.
5.Grip - Hold the rifle firmly, not tightly. Tight muscles clench and shake, they also grow tired very quickly.
6. Breathing - Take a few breaths, bead on your target, on your shooting-breath breathe in, let half out and finish your trigger pull straight through, dont forget your follow through now.
7.Trigger pull- If you have a long trigger pull (Mil-spec 1903) you slowly squeeze the trigger, and re-lign with target and slowly squeeze trigger, re-lign. Until "click" your round goes off. Don't forget breathing during this, helps oodles.
And yes, the 30-06 can be a nasty one for developing a flinch. Good luck. Cheers.
1.Slow down- Rounds dont matter where they go if they don't hit their target.
2.Squeeze- Make sure you aren't pulling or snapping the trigger.
3.Know your sights- High? Low? Are you putting your target in the right spot for your sight?
4.Follow through (helps with flinch a ton)- Ater each shot practice not pulling the rifle away from yourself. Ideally,you can easily see where your round landed through your glass, or just over your Iron sight as the recoil ends.
5.Grip - Hold the rifle firmly, not tightly. Tight muscles clench and shake, they also grow tired very quickly.
6. Breathing - Take a few breaths, bead on your target, on your shooting-breath breathe in, let half out and finish your trigger pull straight through, dont forget your follow through now.
7.Trigger pull- If you have a long trigger pull (Mil-spec 1903) you slowly squeeze the trigger, and re-lign with target and slowly squeeze trigger, re-lign. Until "click" your round goes off. Don't forget breathing during this, helps oodles.
And yes, the 30-06 can be a nasty one for developing a flinch. Good luck. Cheers.
I had this problem with my 700 .308. Dry fire ALOT. It should help if you use the correct tequniques(sp).ekaphoto said:
dom
.30-06 doesnt kick that hard, youll get used to it
you need to keep steady and hold it better
work on dry firing your rifle practicing breathing, sight alignment and trigger squeeze
is this your mossberg?
even the worst hunting rifles shoudl give you about a 2.5" group @ 100y so you need to practice more
what position are you shooting in?
what kind of sights?
you need to keep steady and hold it better
work on dry firing your rifle practicing breathing, sight alignment and trigger squeeze
is this your mossberg?
even the worst hunting rifles shoudl give you about a 2.5" group @ 100y so you need to practice more
what position are you shooting in?
what kind of sights?
I had a 700 BDL, 30-06. Beautiful gun. It just seemed to kick me something aweful. I don't like recoil and I know I was flinching after that. I can shoot my 45-70s all day, different type of recoil but they still kick. They never kicked me anything like that 30-06 did. Maybe its a stock fit problem. Just my 2 cents so you won't have to sell your rifle...I sold mine though...after I killed an elk with it 
I'll disagree with this point a little. The .30-06 sure as heck packs a lot of punch and is far from a sissy round. Do I think the .30-06 kicks too much? No, but I like recoil (psychologists say that's a good thing :winkJeff_850 said:
and I'm a fairly large guy.Now having said that, recoil depends on many variables and one gun model will not recoil the same way another gun model will. For example, the heavy M1 Garand wont have the same physical recoil as a lightweight sporterized hunting rifle. Likewise, any accoutriments like recoil pads and such will reduce the effect of recoil.
So whether recoil is "bad" for a certain cartridge depends entirely on the person perceiving the recoil and the rifle/handgun itself. In that light, I'd have to say that, on average, the .30-06 is a fairly heavy recoiler.
As for the recoil its self, install a good recoil pad like a pachmyer (sp) and dont try to fight the recoil, let it push you back and relaz. Also make sure the rifle is in the proper place in your shoulder.
.375 big bore kicks...and with open sights I can shoot better than 8 inch groups at 100 yards. This is a brush gun...any .30-06 should shoot way better as said before, your sights/optics might be loose or you need to just take a chill pill, how much caffeine do you drink before you shoot? Let us know if it gets better!
-Brian Shields
-Brian Shields
olson, as others have said: try a good recoil pad if you're having trouble with the recoil of the .30-06. Limbsaver is a good one.
And I know I said this about nine months ago, but I'll say it again. You might want to check the spelling in your signature line: a "berret" is what girls wear in their hair, a "beret" is a hat.
And I know I said this about nine months ago, but I'll say it again. You might want to check the spelling in your signature line: a "berret" is what girls wear in their hair, a "beret" is a hat.
LOL way to go Lonewolf, you owe me a new keyboard for all the pepsi that just sprayed on mine.
Olson,
You're going to have to acclimate yourself to that recoil, but the pad is a very good idea.
To use a weapon like that, you have to master it. Make it serve your will. A hard kicking rifle can smell fear. If it hurts you, then something needs to change. Try a better pad.
The key is to not anticipate the firing whatsoever. I ain't trying to sound like a butthead here, I flinch too, but you just gotta get over it. There's no shame in it at all. Everyone flinches sometimes.
But to use the power of a strong rifle, you have to truly be it's master.
Olson,
You're going to have to acclimate yourself to that recoil, but the pad is a very good idea.
To use a weapon like that, you have to master it. Make it serve your will. A hard kicking rifle can smell fear. If it hurts you, then something needs to change. Try a better pad.
The key is to not anticipate the firing whatsoever. I ain't trying to sound like a butthead here, I flinch too, but you just gotta get over it. There's no shame in it at all. Everyone flinches sometimes.
But to use the power of a strong rifle, you have to truly be it's master.
Olson,
The 30-06 does kick. The worst recoiling rifle I have ever fired was a 1903A3 sprinfield with a staight stock, its also among the most accurate military bolt guns ever made as far as service rifles go.
Mix some inert dummy rounds in with your live rounds, have a buddy load the rifle so you dont know which are which. This will lwt you know how bad you are flinching.
Make sure the sight pic is the same on every shot, make sure you are stable in your position, have a good cheek weld, and fire at the bottom of your breath. Once you exhale you have about 5-7 seconds before you heart rate starts going way up, this is the shot window. Dont force the rifle into position. move your body until the target falls into the sight so you are using natural point of aim. You can check NPOA by getting a sight pic, coming off the glass, closing your eye the looking back and if you are still on target you are on NPOA.
Most of all practice, I shoot several thousand rds of 30-06 a year, it can be mastered.
The 30-06 does kick. The worst recoiling rifle I have ever fired was a 1903A3 sprinfield with a staight stock, its also among the most accurate military bolt guns ever made as far as service rifles go.
Mix some inert dummy rounds in with your live rounds, have a buddy load the rifle so you dont know which are which. This will lwt you know how bad you are flinching.
Make sure the sight pic is the same on every shot, make sure you are stable in your position, have a good cheek weld, and fire at the bottom of your breath. Once you exhale you have about 5-7 seconds before you heart rate starts going way up, this is the shot window. Dont force the rifle into position. move your body until the target falls into the sight so you are using natural point of aim. You can check NPOA by getting a sight pic, coming off the glass, closing your eye the looking back and if you are still on target you are on NPOA.
Most of all practice, I shoot several thousand rds of 30-06 a year, it can be mastered.
Lol yes the 1903 Springfield is a pain. I laughed after shooting a .50 the first time because it felt lighter than the Springfield. Naked butt, and shot it an awful lot with no shirt. 100yds I average 5-6 inches standing, opens up to about 24 inches at 300 yds. Naturally, after a hundred rounds or so the groups open more and more.
Kudos for the anticipation comment. Very important not to anticipate recoil or noise. Pulling the trigger needs to be just a step in a long line of events between each shot, not a "grand finale". Good luck, Merry Christmas, Cheers.
Kudos for the anticipation comment. Very important not to anticipate recoil or noise. Pulling the trigger needs to be just a step in a long line of events between each shot, not a "grand finale". Good luck, Merry Christmas, Cheers.
My first rifle was a Rem 700 sps in 30-06. It was also the first "real" rifle I had ever fired (besides .22LR). It was a 100 degree day, I knew nothing about shooting rifles, and I was using the worlds worst designed bench rest at a public sight-in range. The first shot went ok, but on the second I didn't have the stock firmly in my shoulder, my eye was way too close to the scope and I had too loose of a grip on the rifle. Needless to say, the scope left a 2 inch bloody gash in the dead center of my forehead, and left me with some severe flinching problems for the rest of the day.
The way I worked it out was by getting a few snap caps and spending about a week in my apartment dryfiring. With practice, a firm grip, good cheek weld and eye relief from the scope you quickly get over flinching and hardly feel the recoil, even a skinny guy like me (6'1" 170ish when I'm wet)
A question though. I hear lots of people talking bad about the kick of lightweight synthetic stocks, but IMHO the hardest kicking weapons I've fired (shotguns and rifles) have had narrow, and heavy, wooden stocks.
The way I worked it out was by getting a few snap caps and spending about a week in my apartment dryfiring. With practice, a firm grip, good cheek weld and eye relief from the scope you quickly get over flinching and hardly feel the recoil, even a skinny guy like me (6'1" 170ish when I'm wet)
A question though. I hear lots of people talking bad about the kick of lightweight synthetic stocks, but IMHO the hardest kicking weapons I've fired (shotguns and rifles) have had narrow, and heavy, wooden stocks.
30/06 RECOIL
30/06 felt RECOIL is a simple matter of wieght and barrel lenght. My Savage 110 wears a 20" barrel, wood stock, recoil pad. It is fun to shoot if you hold it right and wear EARPLUGs.('')
Hold it a little off the shoulder and forget the earplug it will knock the snot out of you. (':evil:')
7 pound rifle and 180 grain bullets we don't need myth busters do we?
My 338 win mag is a 24 inch barreled 9.5 lbs rifle that requires my total focus when shooting. Earplugs, good jacket, shooting bench are a must. even so after 5, 3 round groups it is time to lay it down. 225grain bullets running close to 3000 fps, Newton law about equal and ??(':idea:') ouch that hurts...
Now take a 12 to 14 pound rifle chambered in 7.62 nato with a 24 to 26 inch barrel load it with a 168 grain bullet running out the barrel say 2650+- fps there is not going to be much felt recoil. Add earplugs and earmuffs and there is not going to be muchmuzzle blast heard.('8)')
But the truth is it does not really matter how hard the rifle kicks or how loud the report is if you do your part. Flinching is the shooter's problem. Every shooter has to learn to take a shot. Develope a mental checklist and stick to it you will be successful.
By the way hardest kicking I have every owned was a NEF handi rifle in 45/70. Shooting handloaded 405 grain bullets pushing a case strenching 1900fps I still was able to put 4 shots in a three inch circle. Not great shooting put not bad for factory irons sights (':lol:')
30/06 felt RECOIL is a simple matter of wieght and barrel lenght. My Savage 110 wears a 20" barrel, wood stock, recoil pad. It is fun to shoot if you hold it right and wear EARPLUGs.('
')Hold it a little off the shoulder and forget the earplug it will knock the snot out of you. (':evil:')
7 pound rifle and 180 grain bullets we don't need myth busters do we?
My 338 win mag is a 24 inch barreled 9.5 lbs rifle that requires my total focus when shooting. Earplugs, good jacket, shooting bench are a must. even so after 5, 3 round groups it is time to lay it down. 225grain bullets running close to 3000 fps, Newton law about equal and ??(':idea:') ouch that hurts...
Now take a 12 to 14 pound rifle chambered in 7.62 nato with a 24 to 26 inch barrel load it with a 168 grain bullet running out the barrel say 2650+- fps there is not going to be much felt recoil. Add earplugs and earmuffs and there is not going to be muchmuzzle blast heard.('8)')
But the truth is it does not really matter how hard the rifle kicks or how loud the report is if you do your part. Flinching is the shooter's problem. Every shooter has to learn to take a shot. Develope a mental checklist and stick to it you will be successful.
By the way hardest kicking I have every owned was a NEF handi rifle in 45/70. Shooting handloaded 405 grain bullets pushing a case strenching 1900fps I still was able to put 4 shots in a three inch circle. Not great shooting put not bad for factory irons sights (':lol:')
Last post reminded me, What grain of bullet are you shooting. Shoot 150 to start. If you are shooting 150's now, get a lighter gr bullet, and that will lessen the recoil.
3006 recoil
seems the ongoing debate is that recoil isn't that bad on an 06 the two worst I ever had were both 3006's one as mlammers said was a 1903 springfield kicked the devil out of me wish I still had it, the other was a Ruger m77 that thing had it in for all who pulled its trigger, others ok. now as stated need proper shooting form ,as to the accuarcy have a friend try the rifle same ammuniton and see if his groups are similar ,Remington makes a reduced recoil round you might try, a good slip on recoil pad also works great practice is the best way to get good just my experiences an .02$us worth.
seems the ongoing debate is that recoil isn't that bad on an 06 the two worst I ever had were both 3006's one as mlammers said was a 1903 springfield kicked the devil out of me wish I still had it, the other was a Ruger m77 that thing had it in for all who pulled its trigger, others ok. now as stated need proper shooting form ,as to the accuarcy have a friend try the rifle same ammuniton and see if his groups are similar ,Remington makes a reduced recoil round you might try, a good slip on recoil pad also works great practice is the best way to get good just my experiences an .02$us worth.
I'm surprised that no one has mentioned Remington's "Managed Recoil" cartridges, or the similar rounds from Federal and Winchester. They really do work; and if you insist on firing "full strength" rounds, then just use the managed recoil rounds to get your flinch under control. Just my suggestion.....
I agree: These cartridges are great for the range AND close range hunting. I wouldnt take a shot at anything past 300yds.subway said:
dom
I have a Remington 710 3006. The thing kicks like a goat.
I flinch, close my eyes, yank the triger, wave the thing around like a banner at the target. I could do better with a sling shot and ball bering. Starting to get used to it. We are begining to understand one another. I am 208lbs and thick up top. I am surprised at the energy the goes towards the butt. It has a stock recoile pad. I may look into the ones you mentioned. After 30 shels I am ready to put it back in the case.
My shooting range is only 100 feet long indoors. My group is 2 inches leaning against the wall with a 3-9 bushnell. I would very much like to get it tighter.
I flinch, close my eyes, yank the triger, wave the thing around like a banner at the target. I could do better with a sling shot and ball bering. Starting to get used to it. We are begining to understand one another. I am 208lbs and thick up top. I am surprised at the energy the goes towards the butt. It has a stock recoile pad. I may look into the ones you mentioned. After 30 shels I am ready to put it back in the case.
My shooting range is only 100 feet long indoors. My group is 2 inches leaning against the wall with a 3-9 bushnell. I would very much like to get it tighter.
the Remington 710 is generally not a very accurate rifle but you can get a tighter group out of it
it takes discipline and a litlte effort to avoid a flinch
try dry firing your weapon, shooting somthing with lighter recoil and work on just taking the blast and ignoring it till the round is out
it takes discipline and a litlte effort to avoid a flinch
try dry firing your weapon, shooting somthing with lighter recoil and work on just taking the blast and ignoring it till the round is out
1) Does it actually cause you pain? If so, then you gotta alter that rifle, man. If it hurts you, fix it.
2) If it does not, then the problem is psychological, and you will get over it in time by training with all the methods the guys just pointed out. Even if you don't, there sure is no shame in shooting a 260 or a similar round better than you do the 30-06.
2) If it does not, then the problem is psychological, and you will get over it in time by training with all the methods the guys just pointed out. Even if you don't, there sure is no shame in shooting a 260 or a similar round better than you do the 30-06.
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