The 1200TX is a target rifle I think. The C3 I thought was a customisation/upgrade of the 1200TX. Or it could be the 1200TX barrel.

 

I will try to post a picture how do I do it? [/img]

 

Goto www.photobucket.com and set up an account. Then follow the promts and post pics.

 

 

Beautiful, Just Beautiful. Its a awesome looking rifle. I just love the PH rifles. I'd love to know how it shoots.

 

Some one did notice the one piece mount but it looks like all the New Zealand C3's have them these pictures are of one in the National Army Museum in Waiouru and it has the same mount.

 

Any idea why mine's got 1200TX marked on the barrel?

 

yeah. I do know that the M82/M85s all had one peice mounts. talk to ChrisF from NZ and he will edumacate you in PH rifles. hes got a few of them.

 

The C3 in the picture looks like a standard Mauser 98 while the M82 had the M85 style receiver. It was a single shot though. I know the M85 is a Mauser but the top of the receiver is shaped diferently.

 

The C3 in the picture looks like a standard Mauser 98 while the M82 had the M85 style receiver. It was a single shot though. I know the M85 is a Mauser but the top of the receiver is shaped diferently.

The M82 is a round receiver, and it was a 4 round internal. Maybe the single shot you are thinking of is the L81A1? The squared receivers were the M84, M86, and M87. The M85 is also square, but much different from the other three.

The C3 is the Canadian version of the M82.

I don't think that the M82's had a 1200TX stamped barrel. It might not be the original barrel, or maybe it is a 1200TX converted to M82/C3 configuration.

John

 

The M82 receiver is basically a Mauser 98 , but it has a solid LH side ( ie it does not have the cutout for your thumb when using stripper clips ) .

The M82 sniper rifle is simply a TX1200 target rifle with 2 modifications .

1 ) It has the hinged floor plate of the std repeater rifle ( and NOT the single shot sealed bottom metal )

2 ) The actual bolt KNOB is the same as the std PH repeating rifle , ( ie it has a full ball ( the TX1200 has the TOP half of the ball milled OFF and the letters P-H stamped on it .

Later Chris

P.S. Nice rifle , does the rifle have a half ball bolt handle , it almost looks like it does , IF so its actually a modifed TX1200 singke shot target rifle & not a M82 , I have never seen a M82 with a half ball bolt .

 

Did you recently acquire this in a Nz auction?

Looks great.

 

here's a pic of the TX1200 bolt handle , showing the 1/2 ball , I presume it was done so reduce it for more clearance with the large iron sights .

 

Opps

all pics of a TX1200 target rifle , minus the irons

 

I'm not sure there really is a definite for what model had what, in the end they were mix-matching all kinds of stuff.

 

The C3 in the picture looks like a standard Mauser 98 while the M82 had the M85 style receiver. It was a single shot though. I know the M85 is a Mauser but the top of the receiver is shaped diferently.

Maybe the single shot you are thinking of is the L81A1? The squared receivers were the M84, M86, and M87. The M85 is also square, but much different from the other three.


John

DOH!, you're right, I was thinking of the M84. I had all the makings of one (M84) but sold them to a forum member. Now I have 2 M86 receivers and I'm building them out.

 

I have only ever seen the target rifles TX1200 with the half ball , bolt handles , these rifles came with competition iron sights fitted for NRA shooting .


Over the years alot of original rifles have been modifed or changed , as these rifles where made around 1971 , thats a while ago now .

Later Chris

 

Thanks for the info, yes I did buy it from the wellington auction may be you can shed light on were it came from.
The bolt is a half round one as you can see below, I also have the canadian C3 Technical Manual (C-71-234-000/MM-000) and it shows the bolt and that is also a half round bolt in all the pictures as well as the exploded view.
Are the 1200TX drilled and tapped on the front of the receiver for the scope mount (I can not see from your pics)?
I guess if its not a C3 (M82) I probably paid to much

 

I wouldn't count it out as being original. My M82 has a bolt handle similar to the M85's. Yours has a half ball, and ChrisF has a 1200TX with a half ball. Here are two pics of a couple different 1200TX's, and they both have the full ball.

I seem to remember reading that some M82's sent down to Australia and New Zealand also came with peep sights. Maybe that is why yours has a half ball.

My main point is there doesn't seem to be a standard for all the PH's out there. PH seemed to be pretty willing to configure the rifle to what the user wanted, or with what they had on hand when supplying the order.

John

PS Apparently "Zealand" isn't in Firefox's dictionary!

 

I wouldn't count it out as being original. My M82 has a bolt handle similar to the M85's. Yours has a half ball, and ChrisF has a 1200TX with a half ball. Here are two pics of a couple different 1200TX's, and they both have the full ball.

I seem to remember reading that some M82's sent down to Australia and New Zealand also came with peep sights. Maybe that is why yours has a half ball.

My main point is there doesn't seem to be a standard for all the PH's out there. PH seemed to be pretty willing to configure the rifle to what the user wanted, or with what they had on hand when supplying the order.

John

PS Apparently "Zealand" isn't in Firefox's dictionary!

Thanks for that it would make a lot of sense.
I have been led to believe that it was a NZ police (armed defenders) rifle therefore would not have been on a military order, so it may well be based on a commercial rifle that was available from PH at the time. The rifle it's self shows even wear to all its parts (stock, bluing, scope etc) and must have been in this configuration for a long time, there is also set of PH peep sights for the rifle in the transit case as part of the accessories, so all this may well explain the bolt and markings.

Chris


PS Two very nice rifles (but can't help with Firefox)

 

A friend of mine was a Nz armorer in the eighties he was didn't think there was any real difference between TX1200 repeater and a M82.
He also knows I have a interest in such things and told me about this one you have purchased availability at auction it looks like one that was on trademe a few years back also claiming to be a AOS rifle.

Does the Khales have the BDC turret?

The AOS must still have a few in service as during the news footage when they were out looking for that lunatic Graham Burton I seen one being carried about.

 

A friend of mine was a Nz armorer in the eighties he was didn't think there was any real difference between TX1200 repeater and a M82.
He also knows I have a interest in such things and told me about this one you have purchased availability at auction it looks like one that was on trademe a few years back also claiming to be a AOS rifle.

Does the Khales have the BDC turret?

The AOS must still have a few in service as during the news footage when they were out looking for that lunatic Graham Burton I seen one being carried about.

Hi yes it does have BDC turrets and german post rectical, a friend of mine (ex-police) reconds its an ex-police rifle, but I havent seen any before for sale.

 

It would make sense that the NZ Police AOS (Armed Offenders Squad) still had M82s as they are .308 where as their old Remington Sevens they replaced with Bushmasters were .223

 

Bit late to the party, here’s mine, half ball bolt handle, floor plate magazine holds 4 and 1 up the spout, came with target sights, fitted with original PH bipod.

first trip out at a 1000 yards at Bisley, 2 warmers and the rest in the black. 168 gn ppartizan match, Hawke 4-16 x50 scope I was well impressed and chuffed with myself. It’s an old rifle but she does it for me.